Re "Not what I believe either, there are still other alternatives, like the 
consciousness-only school in Buddhism, Advaita or the philosophy of Spinoza.":
 

 Precisely. Consider the number of possible explanations of our human 
situation. How many are there? Well, to save you all the trouble I've 
exhaustively made a list and there is in fact an infinite number of answers. 
True, the human race has so far only come up with a number of explanations in 
the tens of thousands but it's early days yet and the ingenuity of the mind is 
inexhaustible. That is what is so tiresome about black-or-white, I'm 
right-you're wrong "thinkers" like Barry: to those like him either you accept a 
Sunday School version of fundamentalist Christianity or you buy into a dreary 
scientism that pretends it has all the answers. 
 

 This David Berlinski chap is bright alright. (He penned the splendid A Tour of 
the Calculus - the best non-technical intro to the subject I've read.) But he 
also comes across as an arrogant piece of work. And allying himself with the ID 
propagandists doesn't help his cause. But he is teasing out the weaknesses and 
question-begging in these puffed-up, know-it-all "new atheists". 
 

 Why are they called "new atheists"? Because old-school atheists-cum-agnostics 
like Bertrand Russell honoured their opponents whereas Dawkins et al can hardly 
contain their contempt. If you want an example, take this excerpt from a 
discussion between Russell and Fr. Frederick C. Copleston - notice how they 
cautiously circle around each other but show due respect. (Barry needn't waste 
his time listening - it's a philosophical dialogue not a rant.)
 

 Instead of emoting, can't we bring back civilized discourse like this?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdicTfFygnU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdicTfFygnU

 

 

 

  

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