What really happened was the Transcontinental Railroad which needed a
strong federal government for it to be accomplished. Which meant that
some states rights had to go away. Of course it was the rich who wanted
the railroad.
On 02/24/2015 08:35 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Nope, it was just one issue - here is the full text:
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the
Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South
Carolina from the Federal Union
<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp>
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*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
And those *jackasses* were correct. Unfortunately, slavery was a
legal institution written into the United States Constitution. Slaves
were considered property. Today, your personal bank accounts could be
*liberated* via the internet and if the feds did nothing about it or
were involved in it...WTF! One could justify that your personal money
was needed to help the poor, retire the national debt and it was your
moral obligation to forfeit it. We have laws to protect rights , life
and property. If the law is out dated, you change it through the legal
process, even if that means changing the constitution.< I'm unfamiliar
with SC's specific declaration but I doubt it was just one issue as
you do write, Declaration of the Immediate Causes, causes being
plural. you might read the Declaration of Independence. The first
paragraph states it clearly. I'm paraphrasing, When in the course of
human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands
that connect them with another let them list their grievances... yada
yada yada. This is exactly what the southern states did. Right or
wrong, it was constitutional. Abraham Lincoln violated the
constitution repeatedly from beginning to end. Secession was never
brought before the Supreme Court because the court would have ruled it
legal. Jefferson Davis was never put on trial for treason because had
his case gone to the Supreme Court, the court would have ruled in his
favor.< The issue of slavery could have been dealt with in a much
better way. One that was not emotional, which lead to the war. The
Constitution would have needed amending and slave owners fairly
compensated. This approach would have, or at least probably would
have, prevented a costly war,lost lives and fortunes not to mention
the resentment that lead to Jim Crow laws, segregation and the way
former slaves were treated. Race relations would be in a totally
different place today.< So yes, there were jackasses but they were on
both sides.
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*From:* "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:58 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Actually, the jackasses in SC claimed that what the federal guv'ment
was doing was unconstitutional and what other states (Yankee states)
were doing was also unconstitutional because these states were
violating Article Four of the US Constitution
which required that slaves that had escaped to other states must be
returned to their owners in the states they had escaped from. The
Northern states were not complying, ergo they had violated the
agreement that had formed the Union, thus the original states had the
right to leave the union since other states were not compliant with
all article of the agreement. This was the specific reason stated for
secession in South Carolina's *Declaration of the Immediate Causes
Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the
Federal Union.*
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*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 10:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
What you're suggesting was pretty close to what the founding fathers
intended in the first place. Each state was it's own master. They, the
state governments, knew what was best for their own people and what
their people wanted. The feds were there to protect the rights of
those states to be independent of one another. By the 1860s, the whole
thing flip flopped. The states were there to support the federal
government in their dominion over the individual states.
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*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
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*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 8:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Not quite. That was based on something else. This division makes
sense because each region has it's own specific geographical needs
that can be governed appropriately. But I'm not holding my breathe.
Of course it could come out of a complete economic collapse but more
likely the rich will want to commit suicide with a global war.
I'm just waiting for the other foot to fall.
On 02/23/2015 06:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Yeahhhh, we tried something like that here in South Carolina in 1860
- didn't work out too well.
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*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]"
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*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 9:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Break it up into the "Nine Nations of North America". I've been an
advocate of this ever since the book came out in 1981. It's based on
the way the American Indians looked at the country by geographical
distinctions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
But the rich will cry because we'll be taking their toys away from them.
On 02/23/2015 05:16 PM, rich...@rwilliams.us
<mailto:rich...@rwilliams.us> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
"Because the Constitution does not enumerate a congressional
territorial-acquisition power, Congress therefore disregarded
great-powers limitations in annexing Texas and Hawaii through joint
resolution."
The unconstitutionality of the annexation of Texas and Hawaii
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/02/22/great-powers-and-the-unconstitutionality-of-the-annexation-of-texas-and-hawaii/
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:jr_esq@...> wrote :
At least, Ron Paul thinks so. This could be the quick solution to
eliminate the trillions of dollars in national debt. But somebody
is going to lose out. My gut feeling is: it would still be us.
Ron Paul: U.S. secession is already 'happening'
<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ron-paul-us-secession-already-happening>
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<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ron-paul-us-secession-already-happening>
Ron Paul: U.S. secession is already 'happening'
<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ron-paul-us-secession-already-happening>
As recently as a few weeks ago, Rand Paul's mentor insisted publicly
that American secession is "gonna happen" and that's "good news."
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