"Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency of nature to create unique forms, it is
basically a prison in which you are told you are free, but only if you adhere
to certain principles and behaviour and thought."
Exxxxxxcellent piece of writing and thinking!
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
Being overly critical is a malady similar to being overly gullible. Being
straightforwardly critical however is the only way to navigate any situation,
to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the useful from the bullshit.
You have to examine carefully what others tell you, and you have to examine
your own take on things; this latter is particularly difficult to do.
I tend to approach things as if the scientific null hypothesis is always in
effect, which is basically, 'here is something new, let's take the attitude it
doesn't work, and see if something still happens'. When I learned TM for
example, it did not go very well for the first few days, but then I had some
decent meditations. After about six months or so, I felt it was providing me
with what I had been seeking. Now, many decades later, I feel its influence on
experience is largely exhausted, but it had a good run. It accomplished for me
what I wanted, because I did not surrender my criticality about what it was
really doing. The problem in a cult is really useful information tends to be
suppressed, even if it is technically there because truthfulness is bent to
maintain the identity of the cult's particular gimmick.
I worked in the TM cult for some time, keeping a low profile. I was never able
to adopt the TM jargon as people would have liked me to. I never thought of TM
as 'blissful', restful at times for sure, but unless you are very lucky
'spiritual growth' is kind of a grind because if you are into it, you
eventually have to face up to a lot of darkness, the things you are afraid of
and want to avoid; you cannot sidestep this indefinitely. There is no 'us and
them', there are just a lot of people trying to get through the day and be
happy. Cult behaviour can make you pretend happy.
There is something to the statement 'the dharma of another brings danger'. If
you cannot come to an understanding and experience of the world that is solidly
your own, the result of your own enquiry rather than the adoption of others'
ideas, your world is basically a fictitious shell. In other words, while you
may have adopted certain concepts, by assimilation, critical thinking and
reflexion, they are transformed, so when they come out of you, you will not
sound like the person or persons they originated with. Even if you do not
experience yourself as some sort of 'individual soul' you will sound like one.
All the great teachers of the world, no matter what subject, have a unique take
on things, they will not be a mirror of their mentors, they will have a unique
voice, they will not tow a party line. Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency
of nature to create unique forms, it is basically a prison in which you are
told you are free, but only if you adhere to certain principles and behaviour
and thought.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Welcome. While you are welcome to your beliefs, might I point out a potential
problem with how you express them?
You write: "Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not
associatedwith some fault. To be overly critical is also a fault, and it
thementality of the asuras. The divine mentality is full of truth,conviction,
endeavor, and happiness."
Ignoring the sloppy typing in the second sentence (you should have typed "is
the mentality of the asuras" instead of "it the mentality of the asuras"), the
larger problem with these three sentences is that the first contradicts the
third. If you state that you cannot find "*any* yoga or religious system or
person" who is not without fault, then exactly where is it you find this
"divine mentality" you speak of?
If, by your own words, there is NO yoga or religious system or person who is
free from fault, there where is this "truth, conviction, endeavor, and
happiness" you claim exists? I'll wait. :-)
From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenthalm@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound. One must perform the work born of his or
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some
fault. To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the
asuras. The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault;
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
Vaikuntha of Fairfield
| |
| | | | | | | |
| Vaikuntha of FairfieldKrishna Bhakti Yoga for One and All. 105 S 3rd St.
Fairfield, IA 52556 (985) 768-7060 |
| |
| View on www.Facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
| |
#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759 -- #yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid
#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp #yiv4684990759hd
{color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp #yiv4684990759ads
{margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp .yiv4684990759ad
{padding:0 0;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp .yiv4684990759ad p
{margin:0;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mkp .yiv4684990759ad a
{color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4684990759ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor #yiv4684990759ygrp-lc #yiv4684990759hd {margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor #yiv4684990759ygrp-lc .yiv4684990759ad
{margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759actions
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759activity
{background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759activity span:first-child
{text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759activity span a
{color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759activity span
span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759activity span
.yiv4684990759underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4684990759
.yiv4684990759attach
{clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759attach div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759attach img
{border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759attach label
{display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759attach label a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 blockquote {margin:0 0 0
4px;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759bold
{font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759
.yiv4684990759bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 dd.yiv4684990759last
p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759 dd.yiv4684990759last p
span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759
dd.yiv4684990759last p span.yiv4684990759yshortcuts
{margin-right:0;}#yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759attach-table div div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759attach-table
{width:400px;}#yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759file-title a, #yiv4684990759
div.yiv4684990759file-title a:active, #yiv4684990759
div.yiv4684990759file-title a:hover, #yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759file-title
a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759photo-title a,
#yiv4684990759 div.yiv4684990759photo-title a:active, #yiv4684990759
div.yiv4684990759photo-title a:hover, #yiv4684990759
div.yiv4684990759photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759
div#yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4684990759ygrp-msg p a
span.yiv4684990759yshortcuts
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv4684990759
.yiv4684990759green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759MsoNormal
{margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv4684990759 o {font-size:0;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759photos div div {border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759photos div label
{color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv4684990759 .yiv4684990759replbq
{margin:4px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg
{font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv4684990759 input, #yiv4684990759 textarea
{font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4684990759 code {font:115%
monospace;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg *
{line-height:1.22em;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4684990759logo
{padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-msg p a
{font-family:Verdana;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-msg
p#yiv4684990759attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-reco #yiv4684990759reco-head
{color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-reco
{margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4684990759ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor #yiv4684990759ov li
{font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-sponsor #yiv4684990759ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0
8px;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-text
{font-family:Georgia;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em
0;}#yiv4684990759 #yiv4684990759ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv4684990759
#yiv4684990759ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none
!important;}#yiv4684990759
