Right, the Battle flag is a symbol to white supremacist and only white
supremacists are responsible for that. The Klan hi-jacked something that didn't
belong to them. They also hi-jacked the flaming cross, a symbol of the United
Methodist church. Nazis hi-jacked the swastika, something sacred to many other
people around the world.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Um, I don't "pretend" to know anything more about the history of the
Confederate battle flag flying on statehouse grounds in SC than I've read
about. Looks like I was one year off about when it was first flown over the
Capitol--which is about all I said concerning the history; people may agree to
disagree about the real motivation for putting it up.
In any case, the specific history of that particular flag in SC is a lot less
important than how the Confederate flag generally functions as a symbol these
days and how it relates to the racist massacre in Charleston. Anybody who
thinks the flag isn't a symbol of white supremacism for too damn many people is
just ignorant.
But thanks for all the details.
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with
their constituents.
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state.
They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to
the people and that it would be "too divisive" for the people to decide and
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters
would outnumber the "heritage" crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a
while and then came up with a "compromise" that made no one happy. They removed
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a "place of honor" on
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk think
the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what that
heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea of
honoring all the brave men who stood up to Northern aggression, you know, the
damn Yankees?
Truth be told, a lot of those Confederates were idiots. Only about 10% of white
Southerners owned slaves, and nearly half of the white population of the South
served in the war. That means that the majority of the Confederate soldiers
were dirt farmers who's direct competition were the slave owning plantation big
shots. The dirt farmers were fighting to preserve an agricultural system that
kept them in poverty.
But the bottom line is that no matter how poor and low-down someone is, they
always feel better if they have someone to look down on, so the dirt farmers
always had the slaves to feel superior to. For that, they were willing to die.
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Scapegoating? Yes, remove that flag. Removing it now is an important actin
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of
governance.
Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
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