---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :
Oh yeah.....and the other point.....if we were living in a different century....it might have been the Christians violently at war with the "non-believers" as they saw fit, with massive and bloody and gruesome results. There is no benefit in being self-righteous or hypocritical about it. Another interesting "take" on all of this: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republican-religious-fanatics-pose-bigger-threat-country-than-isis/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republican-religious-fanatics-pose-bigger-threat-country-than-isis/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote : Nobody is excusing the violence. My point is that the essence or core of Islamic belief as a practiced way of life is obviously not what is playing out on the world stage right now. I agree with Ann in that "fanatics" of any type and breed pose danger; fanaticism is extremism and extremism gone awry. Yes, it could be centuries before the pendulum swings the other direction....or.....there could be some global-scale natural disaster that intervenes in the plight of humanity overall....or.....our space brothers who live on the parent planet that exists in the multiverse we aren't aware of yet may intervene...or......GOD will return and judgement day will take precedence over all....or....there will be another World War designated as such and countries will all take sides and many will perish.....or....... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : I'm all for tolerance, until it becomes dangerous. From real fanatics you're in danger whether you/anyone is tolerant or intolerant. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary We've actually found something we can agree on here, Mike. Previous posters have been too keen on excusing Muslim violence. Unfortunately, as it is manifesting in many parts of the world today, Islam is a murderous, hateful, death-worshipping cult. Christians in parts of Asia and Africa are being cruelly persecuted by Muslims. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : In countries dominated by Islam, secularism has little influence. Most law is Sharia or sharia based. If you blaspheme the *prophet* or Koran in Pakistan, you can be put to death or given a thousand lashes.In western, Judaeo/Christian cultures, you can photograph a crucifix in urine or paint the Madonna in elephant dung, put it on display in a government museum and you're thought to be *enlightened* and praised for it. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 10:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though, instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior either, but moving in the soldiers and tanks never goes unnoticed, especially once the populace begins getting killed. It gets personal, fast. I personally wouldn't say what our theoretical person said about the Bible or the Koran but I would say that there is little benefit is pegging or pigeon holing one large group of people as likely to do something as dramatic as kill another due to disrespect for their God, country or mother, for that matter. I think to do so sets up major psychological barriers to the possibility, no, the probability that one is generalizing waaaaaaayy too much. Militant, fanatical anyones at this very moment are overreacting and going berserk in the belief that they are right in smiting others dead where they stand because of different beliefs. While I admit that fanatical Muslims are more likely to want to chop your head off than a fanatical Christian (they'll just tell you you're lost and are going to go to hell for eternity) I think the average, balanced Muslim is as likely to not lop your head from your shoulders as the average, balanced (is this an oxymoron?) Christian. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : The correct answer, chaps, is B. Pretty simple, that one. I am not impressed by people who say, well Christianity has a history of violence too. That may be correct but it was a long time ago, and the religion has evolved beyond that. Islam has not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So, it proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked? I had a similar thought regarding the strength and ugliness of the language used in this case - sounds like a button pusher to me. In other words, nothing constructive being conveyed other than the speaker wants to get someone riled. Of course, whether this would result in a killing is another question although, right off the top of my head, I would have to say it should not. Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing themselves that way in the first place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <s3raphita@...> wrote : (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is emergency toilet paper". (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is emergency toilet paper". Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with your being hacked to death? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc justifying their political actions in the *name* of Christ.There is a big difference in what Christ actually taught and what people actually did in His name. You and the article are referring to *justification* of violence but not the actual teaching Christ imparts. Can you see the difference? Mohamed, Koran and Haditha actually advocate violence and killing and refer to it as a necessary tenent of the faith. You can check out some of these. Someone has gone to some trouble to find these so go ahead and see if any qualify here as "proof" that Jesus could sometimes get a little testy. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html snip
