We appreciate the comments.  I'll have to read Heinlein's book.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > To all members:
> > > 
> > > I just had this thought this morning and may have relevance to 
> > this 
> > > forum.  The answer is "yes" because we dream.  Humans are the 
> > product 
> > > of the universe.  As such, we are the universe.  (Some 
> > fundamentalists 
> > > of any religion may have problems accepting this idea.)
> > > 
> > > We can even speculate that our dreams are the equivalent of the 
> > worm 
> > > holes the cosmologists are talking about.  Each time we dream 
we 
> > create 
> > > a new world or dimension.  Or, it could be that we travel to 
the 
> > > various lokas as the vedic texts have written about.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > John R.
> > >
> > This reminds me of something I heard, could've been MMY who 
> > said, 'if you can imagine it, it exists'. Also have had personal 
> > experience of visiting both heavens and hells through my dreams...
> >
> 
> I think I mentioned this before (and Robert Heinlein has fun with 
the 
> concept in _Number of the Beast_): theoretical physics talks about 
4 
> possible levels of "meta-universe."
> 
> The first is simply the mathematical certainty that if the universe 
> is really infinite than every possible combination of elementary 
> particles exists somewhere, including exact duplicates of our own 
> local (observable over the past 20 billion years since the big bang 
> incident started the ball rolling locally) universe, which is a 
only 
> a miniscule 20 billion light-years in radius (or whatever).
> 
> The second comes from the Quantum Mechanics "many worlds" 
> interpretation which says that any and all possible Quantum 
> Mechanical events take place every instant at every location 
> throughout our universe, each of which is-part-of/creates it's own 
> universe.
> 
> The third assumes that all possible values of all possible physical 
> constants give rise to their own meta-universes of the first two 
> types.
> 
> Finally, the fourth possible meta-meta-universe includes all 
possible 
> mathematically consistent descriptions of existence. 
> 
> This last is a doozy, because "mathematically consistent" covers, 
> well, everything that any creature, or meta-creature 
could "conceive" 
> of, including any and all written/spoken/performed literature or 
> dreams, for that matter.
> 
> In Heinlein's book, some people in the future create a drive that 
can 
> take them to any possible universe and they put it in a futuristic 
> mobile home. At one point, they travel to the Land of Oz, where the 
> Good Witch of the East (I think) gives them a window in their 
> bathroom that always looks out over the Emerald City, no matter 
> where/when/whatever they are...
> 
> 
> No-one can prove that any of these meta-universes exists, but they 
> are all logical consequences of various assumptions about the 
> mathematics that Physicists already use to describe Reality.
>






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