All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen.
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > > > > > transcending my intellect, > > > > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to > his > > > > > actions. Like a master- > > > > > disciple relationship only in the > transcendent; > > > > > ONLY in the > > > > > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > > > > > > > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on > the > > > > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and > ego up > > > > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of > Brahman > > > > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all > the > > > > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva > whirling in > > > > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. > > > > > > And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this > > > is a subjective feeling. > > > > A polite way of saying "mood making", perhaps? > > > > And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of > ones own > > projections of how the world (and gurus) should > be? I mean > > if one thinks MMY or whoever is "IT", "THE ONE", > won't the > > mind almost automatically create a sense of that > experience > > when one sees them? Particularly if it is a > > rare event / (always a) special occasion? > > Absolutely. The rarer the event is, the more likely > it is that the expected experience will occur. > > > Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were > around MMY > > constantly experience him as "blazing brahman". > > Absolutely not. That's why most of them left. Each > of us is free to decide whether they were right in > their decision to leave or not. > > > Could the need to experience a teacher as "blazing > brahman" justify > > the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at > least in part as > > trivial and silly projects of his? > > I think so. There is a strong tendency in all humans > to justify what one has dedicated years to. This > tendency > often keeps people paying lip service to what they > have > dedicated years to *years* past the time when they > no > longer feel it deserves their dedication. Most of > the > people I've ever met who have walked away from a > strong > involvement with a spiritual tradition have said > that > they did so several years later than they should > have. > The realization that they no longer "fit" predated > their ability to accept or act on that realization. > > > Someone once said that the grandeur of the > "described" experience > > around the teacher is inversely proportional to > ones proximity. > > There *is* a proximity factor at work here. The aura > > of a teacher is usually stronger in his/her close > proximity than it is far away. That is, until and > unless one develops an inner connection with the > teacher that transcends time and space. At that > point, distance no longer matters. > > But there are a myriad of energies that swirl around > a strong spiritual teacher. In my opinion, some of > these energies have to do with enlightenment, with > eternity itself. Other of the energies have to do > with the finite teacher and his or her good points, > and his or her lingering samskaras. One of the > things > that tends to happen when one is in close proximity > to a strong teacher is that one is bombarded by both > types of energies, and can have a hard time figuring > out which is which. Thus people sometimes begin to > mistake the strong energy of the lingering samskaras > > for the strong energy of enlightenment. > > Just an opinion, but one based on experience... > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! 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