Foul up, fess up, fix up. Yep, it is 'foul'. That was a funny misprint in the article text. But can we trust the new ordering of TM leadership now? Is it enough to just change a horse and keep going without acknowledging how it has gone and clearly remediating towards a future?
Some earnest people talk now about some 'Peace and Reconciliation' with the meditating community now as if it can just happen with a new old person in place. Acknowledgment likely will have to include action in remediation, both at the same time to demonstrate trust. It will be extremely important to see and hear what Dr. Hagelin first has to say about all this as he returns to Fairfield and speaks to the community. This is going to take some extraordinary leadership in TM. Decades have been spent separating meditators from the TM movement. The communal question being asked in the meditating community right back which I hear in asking for people's reaction to Bevan's being relieved of command is, whether Hagelin can be trusted(?). As this NPRadio article points out by this other scandal in example, in the meditating community a lot is 'known'. As the article points out it will likely take direct acknowledgment and active remediation a the same time to more directly prove trust so as to get beyond and move past all the scandal in this community. This will take some doing and more than just some apology. As the article says and the corporate examples further below do show in this thread: in a corporate foul up ..fess up, fix up. That becomes the job of leadership. Example does show that it may take an activated third-generation to really do the correction necessary to set things right within TM and then be able to invite and to have meditators come back. Some of our third-generation meditators have recently been extremely helpful inside to having moved this recent change in TM leadership this far. In FFL, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : ‘Issues Management’ A fair example for TM: “..But in this kind of a situation, there's a saying in our business. The three F's are involved - fowl up, What?! There were birds involved?? ;-) 'fess up, fix up. And I think that the fowl up stage is pretty clear. And now it's time to 'fess up and now fix up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : ‘Issues Management’ A fair example for TM: “..But in this kind of a situation, there's a saying in our business. The three F's are involved - fowl up, 'fess up, fix up. And I think that the fowl up stage is pretty clear. And now it's time to 'fess up and now fix up. KELLY: So it sounds like if you were on this account, part of your strategy would be looking forward. Look at what's past as past. GRABOWSKI: Absolutely. KELLY: We're headed to the future. GRABOWSKI: There's always an apology involved. We're sorry we did this. It was a mistake. But then you move forward. You don't dwell on the mistake. KELLY: OK. So flush this out a little bit for me - how a good publicist goes about spinning this, particularly in a case like this, where, as we've said, Russia isn't denying that its athletes doped. The facts are out there. Where do you go next? GRABOWSKI: Well, see I - and I would take issue with the term spinning in this particular case because I think there's an acknowledgment that some mischief - some malfeasance occurred. They're explaining what they have been doing and what they're doing to correct it. And I think that that's where, you know, credibility's going to be tested. And then they have to look forward. You can trust us. We have learned our lesson. We're moving forward. It's classic. " For example, Russia Hires PR Firm Burson-Marsteller To Help Spin Doping Scandal http://www.npr.org/2016/05/20/478804583/russia-hires-pr-firm-to-help-it-spin-doping-scandal http://www.npr.org/2016/05/20/478804583/russia-hires-pr-firm-to-help-it-spin-doping-scandal Russia Hires PR Firm Burson-Marsteller To Help Spin Dopi... http://www.npr.org/2016/05/20/478804583/russia-hires-pr-firm-to-help-it-spin-doping-scandal Russia's track and field program is banned from international competition because of a doping scandal. Mary Louise Kelly talks to Gene Grabowski, ... View on www.npr.org http://www.npr.org/2016/05/20/478804583/russia-hires-pr-firm-to-help-it-spin-doping-scandal Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Character: Untermyer: "Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?" Morgan: "No, sir, the first thing is character." Untermyer: "Before money or property?" Morgan: "Before money or anything else. Money cannot buy it." -December 1912, financier John Pierpont "J.P." Morgan testified in Washington before the Bank and Currency Committee of the House of Representatives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : # ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Ethical behavior.. Corporate 'VW' is another good example of how ethical behavior has now become a 'leading economic indicator'. Some poor 'moral reasoning' by some few and then billions of dollars in the balance in the market. Given the high-speed of news in the internet era a culture of ethical standards and the consequent of both personal and corporate behavior it seems can not be ignored. Given a legacy evidently ethical standards and behavior is likely an important lesson for leadership study and re-set within TM, going forward. Have they really changed? It seems still quite opaque to see through. .. “..did senior executives deliberately turn a blind eye? Mr Horn said that his own company in Germany deceived him, after failing to admit that the "cheat" was the reason there was such a discrepancy between laboratory tests and on-the-road performance. "It is wrong to put corporate profits before people," Mr Horn said, saying the software change was down to a "couple of engineers". ..And this raises serious questions about an internal culture at VW that appears to have allowed an engineering department in Germany to operate in secret and outside the control of the business. The second big lesson from yesterday came when Mr Horn laid the blame for VW's actions on "pressure in the system to get resolutions and also cost pressure" What's more, it's emerging that VW executives may have been warned about the scam at least two years ago. In the US, lawyers are still seeking action against employees of General Motors some two years after the carmaker began recalling cars with dangerous ignition faults. If VW can't identify who knew what, aggressive lawyers may do so.” VW execs testify in US Congress: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34485060 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34485060 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : "Ethics as A Leading Economic Indicator? What Went Wrong? ..” Would make a great title to a scholarly research paper around TM and the life-cycle of the TM movement. http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2014/06/11/320841955/meet-david-brat-the-giant-killer-who-knocked-off-eric-cantor http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2014/06/11/320841955/meet-david-brat-the-giant-killer-who-knocked-off-eric-cantor Yesterday we had a big knowledge meeting and all the old-guard leaders were honored. Evidently a meeting of the minds going on in town now: Neil Patterson, the Wilsons, the Konhaus, Burks, several old Rajas brought on stage too. We sang happy birthday to Dr. Hagelin, heard from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, was an impressive list of old movement trustee people listening via skype. Bevan led an old movement song and in fact he has a really nice singing voice. No third-generation meditators to be seen up front, heard from, or in the audience really. No evident change in leadership. People including the old meditating movement look on. -Buck RJW writes: Maybe I'm just not making the connection - is TM a flawed product? And, who exactly at GM was cast out? The press reports tell of 15 being fired from GM related to poor ethical behavior in the case of the bad ignition switches. Evidently the firings followed in a line of responsibility from the ground up through management. The case is relevant to a foul ethical corporate culture within GM that the new generation CEO is working to cleanse. -Buck Either flawed product or organization seems to be what the TM neganauts like MJ here are driving at in public while within TM it seems no one much was thrown out for poor ethical standards or criminal activities. “His teaching was profoundly influential throughout India, particularly at the midpoint of the century. A compelling array of facts and arguments makes the case that Brahmananda Saraswati's influence extended far beyond India and persists to this day. Most obvious among these is the fact that he was the spiritual master of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Controversial almost from the beginning, Maharishi has been described both as a fraud and as the greatest saint to walk the earth in ten thousand years and everything in between. By nearly every measure he was the most prominent, and in that sense, most important guru to bring Eastern wisdom to the West. He has been universally acknowledged as a popularizer, but is less commonly appreciated for the extent to which he has disseminated the traditional Vedic knowledge of India.” -excerpts from the Introduction to The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Risking all? Seems like there are two stories. What he [Maharishi] did, and what he did. Did he throw it [his own legacy] all away on his risking for women and money? This last week the CEO of GM was before the public apologizing for gross unethical past behavior of people within GM. She acknowledged that there was an ethical failure of some individuals within GM and ethical shortcoming within the GM culture which failed in morality and decency owed others by not coming forward when some knew about unethical behavior going on. Standing before the public she declared this forthrightly, apologized, and then established that this was unacceptable going forward within GM and is to be corrected with a clear corporate published ethical code. Particular people at every level responsible for this particular breach of ethical behavior were cast out. It was a breath-taking week for change of culture within GM this last month or so. Wow! Om yes, a third generation GM employee, this CEO also in her business and law background has an education in ethics. Commentators are saying she is doing the textbook thing right now with turning the corporate culture of GM and dealing with the bad public fallout over the unethical behavior of some past GM engineering. Thus far we have not seen anyone come forward and try this kind of overt cleansing with TM and its past by saying and leading with, “that we are not that past but we are this.. going forward”. Like with GM, it will probably take a "Third Generation" TM meditator to do this for TM. -Buck #mjackson74 writes: How bout this? A great man is one who doesn't lie, cheat and steal. A great man is one who doesn't claim to be celibate and then screw as many women as he can while admonishing his followers to be celibate so the women will be horny and more open to his sexual advances. A great man is one who does not take money under false pretenses. A great man is one who doesn't make up fanciful promises to his followers, promises which are never kept. A great man is one who helps others and doesn't rip others off with esoteric nonsense that not only doesn't work, but is actually harmful to many. That's a great man in my estimation. Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types “..and in doing good to others.” “A great man is he who lives the awareness of Being in his daily life and has gained a state in which he naturally maintains his high status of eternal Being even when engaged in activity and in doing good to others.” -Maharishi -Unity, Maharishi International University, A Hero's Journey 1991-1992 Yearbook I find that I place them all in to a scaled Cartesian coordinate graph with abiding-awakening running from the awakened-quietist up to awakened-pietist on the vertical axis as type by transformation, and then on the horizontal axis, the modality and/or a scale of organization or satsang around them. -Buck What becomes more unique and compelling about Batgap is [Rick's] being able to find and give voice to the abiding-awakened who are not necessarily well known, who are not professional or who have no organization around them. Fleetwood writes: Yes, that is the purported intent of Rick's site. It started out that way, but now has attracted all the people who make a living doing this stuff. Rick usually draws out of the Batgap interviewees whether they have an abiding-awakening or not going on at face value. Like in a recent interview Rick had with someone who was a professional talker having written a slew of books on the divine feminine was pretty clearly not someone on the abiding-awakened list. It was an interesting talk and she clearly was practiced as a presenter talking about spiritual stuff who has had some peak or transcendent experience in her own past. Turquoiseb asks: Just as a question, Buck, into which of your categories would you place some of the people we've met on this forum who claim to either now or in the past be awakened/enlightened? For example, if they had been interviewed by Rick (and some of them were) into which categories would you assign Jim, Ravi, Robin, and Rory? I'm fine with Jim and Rory having abiding awakenings to talk about. The others seem to have something else going on. That is old business. What becomes more unique and compelling about Batgap is [Rick's] being able to find and give voice to the abiding-awakened who are not necessarily well known, who are not professional or who have no organization around them. "Feel free to give me category suggestions for specific individuals and I may implement them." The abiding-awakened are quiet-ists in nature, that is what they are teaching about by being interviewed on Batgap. So given that you are already looking to interview abiding-awakened people having Quietism or 'abiding-awakened' as a broad category of awakened is already assumed about the Batgap interviews. But then for the interviewees who are not spiritually awakened in abiding experience then having an area for speculators, scholars, writers and journalists mostly just talking about awakening separately from the established abiding-awakened would be fair warning. Beyond that it all becomes murky as like the Batgap categorical list is already become. Have your person doing the categorical index start over and straighten out what is going on. It is become an embarrassing mess that is dilute and less than useful, -Buck "Legal troubles? What might those be, pray tell?" Civil claim for Damages. For some their placement and livelihood in this all is quite important. In a range and distribution of spiritual folks it would seem that some can become 'gurus' by virtue of just scholarship alone without even much abiding experience. Others by virtue of ability to teach and talk spiritual technique, or others with having an abiding spiritual transformational effect for others by spiritual field affect. Sat-gurus it would seems would be good at combinations in all three: 1)scholarly, 2)knowledgable and good with techniques, and 3) with field effect of spiritual healing and help in Being. Evident in a spectrum of spiritual practitioners : -Meditation teachers, -Subtle system teachers, -Ritam Bhara Pragya people; as analogous to the old Western demarcations, 'Quietism', 'Piety' and 'Inspiration' in typology: In making a range and distribution of illumined Batgap interviewees by type, just throwing these Batgap illumined people interviewed thus far on a scatter graph by their abiding experience and their spiritual affect on others, it seems some of the awakened are more proactive in affect as awakened practitioners or teachers, long time practiced at helping others spiritually or transformational for others also just by being of their field effect of presence lending spiritual coherence. Some of these are teachers in nature, while some may glow in the closet and watch. And then comes along their degree of altruistic organization.. More in line with a western scholarly discernment of spirituality and spiritual [the illumined/awakened] teachers, could be a spectrum of practitioners : -Meditation teachers, -Subtle system teachers, -Ritam Bhara Pragya people; as analogous to, 'Quietism', 'Piety' and 'Inspiration' in typology. See the related chapter on western mysticism in the 1891 scholarly monograph, The History of the Amana Society or Community of True Inspiration by Perkins and Wick in the link: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/mg7lOWuASfs https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/mg7lOWuASfs Another example of the relative blending of spiritual typology is George Fox, a spiritual teacher promulgating quietism who early on was also a pietist in the pietistic sense of doing or working at energetic subtle system healing but then stopped doing that work publicly because it distracted people from what he was primarily teaching then in that era about a fundamental value of the spirituality of quietism in practice of inner silent meditation and then also the cultivating spiritual value of the field effect of group practice of meditation. Hence the early Society of Friends as a spiritual movement. Friends [Quakers] got in to a lot of trouble for that teaching from institutional formal and ideological religionists of that day. The mystic separatists who were the antecedence of Amana in America were inspirationist by spirituality type in practice and as a formed communal spiritual group employing also daily quietism in substantial silent transcendental meditative practice. One can find illumined people in satsanga teaching quietism and piety blended as meditational in guided chakra or subtle energy knowledge. Someone like Ammachi is teaching and bringing pietism in the help she gives through the field effect of darshan and her spiritual practices as modalities to people's subtle systems. Her spiritual practices can fuse quietism [meditational] and subtle system spiritual work [piety]. As an illumined person Ammachi evidently is very much like the mystic person in modalities of Mother Ann, founder of the Shakers. Janet Sussman, also interviewed on Batgap is a great example of this blend too, adept at helping the subtle systems of folks while also being founded as a quietist. It seems that one does not see so many Ritam Bhara Pragya or 'inspired' people as modality as often; however, Connie Huebner, interviewed on Batgap, is a fabulous example of a classic school of inspiration teachers operating in Ritam Bhara Pragya, very much like the mystics of the old Amana Colony tradition going way back into a European lineage of mysticism. Someone like Francis Bennett more recently coming out now awakened on batgap.com it seems is teaching in a blush as a Quietist. Quietism is an earlier word to transcendentalism. Francis now it seems is one in old quietism like TM'ers are more narrowly of modern day transcendentalist quietism. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of course for his teaching of quietism is better known in his promulgation using transcendental meditation as modality. Using these older established scholarly differentiation between Quietism, Piety, and Inspiration then discernment all becomes much more substantial as a means to looking at mystics, spiritual teachers and history this way. -Buck in the Dome More in line with western scholarly discernment of spirituality [for individuals or groups] and spiritual [illumined/awakened] teachers, 'Quietism', 'Piety' and 'Inspiration' in western typology become somewhat analogous to modern culture as, -Meditation teachers, -Subtle system teachers, -Ritam Bhara Pragya people; . -Buck In the west the categorization of spirituality technically falls in to 'Quietism', 'Piety' and 'Inspiration'. The Batgap interviews in a more scholarly way often fall nicely in to this typology when looked at this way. -Buck Those would be safer demarcations to categorize by that could have some scholarly basis. Though as started on the current Batgap categorizations, different from the spirituality typology of these three established categories, the channel-ers seem to fall over in to their own different category of 'spiritism'. That is fair and understandable. Rick should get someone much more scholarly [with credentials] to discern and categorize the interviewees spiritually if Rick is going to publish a categorical list like that and not just let some earnest friend go work on it. First, Rick really ought to pull the list from the Batgap page right now, back up and think about it some more before publishing some stoopid list that way it is growing now or he is looking at all kinds of legal troubles for Batgap and himself. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome Yes, I noticed the attempt at categorization on Batgap. It is lame. -Buck (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
