No Judy, you're trying to declare a false victory by saying that I am changing
the subject. This thread began with Doug singing: mamas don't let you babies
grow up to be cowboys. I responded, no: Mamas don't let you babies grow up to
be Muslims. Muslims, not ISIS terrorists. Muslims. Of course you know how every
thread degrades in a short time. I never suggested this particular shooting
would have been avoided by better vetting, Either you or Ann took it that way.
That is where the subject began to change as I recall. I did mention vetting is
poor and increased Islamic immigration without better vetting would be a
mistake and quite possibly lead to even more or even worse incidents like this
one in the future. Why compound the problem?
This what I mean by playing loose with the facts.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
Now you're changing the subject because you're losing the original
argument, which was about your nitwit claim that Orlando wouldn't have happened
if we had stricter vetting of Muslim immigrants.
Mike, you don't debate with integrity, and I'm getting really sick of it. These
issues are tough enough when both sides are being as honest and fair as they
possibly can be.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
You're making my original point for me Judy. The threat doesn't have to be
ISIS or Al Qeda or any other Jihad organization although they;ll quickly take
advantage of the situation. It's based on the fundamental teachings of Mohamed
and the *holy* Koran and Haditha which advocates the stoning,beheading, tossing
off of tall buildings, etc. of individuals that violate Islamic/Sharia law.
These forms of punishment are common in a number of Islamic states to this day,
chief among them, and setting the standard, Saudi Arabia and Iran. When
Immigrants come from these regions, a high percentage prefer Sharia, to the
laws of their host country. And while the majority will defer to the law of the
land, it doesn't stop their desire or push to have their new country adopt the
laws of the old. I don't know, maybe you're not paying attention to what is
happening all over Western European nations that have brought in high numbers
of Islamic immigrants and refugees. Since I've been *Xenophobic* and
*Islamophobic*, let me add a little *Sexism* here, It just seems that some
people have this fantasy that we can have our cake and eat it to. "We'll make
them change to be what we want." Well, good luck with that. CALLING DR.PHIL!
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I don't think I said he was anything other than a lone wolf either, Did I say
he was *trained* by ISIS? I don't think so.
I didn't suggest you did.
But he sure must agree with them if he's going to give them the credit.
Or he was using ISIS to justify killing gay people.
However, I have read he had become *radicalized* by a local fellow.Just because
a guy comes here from Afghanistan in the eighties, doesn't mean he doesn't go
back and forth at some point between both countries. I'll stick by my sources
and it didn't come from Trump.
Trump apparently uses the same unreliable sources.
As far as his political views go, he seems to be all over the place. However,
the Washington Post had reported that he has voiced support for his *Taliban
brothers * in Waziristan on his Youtube station a few times. Because you have a
source that says one thing doesn't disprove one thing that I've said.
Can you acknowledge that the father's political activities for Afghanistan
don't mean he shared ISIS' hatred of the U.S. or was into jihad against
America? That's the point I'm making: He was into his own thing that wasn't a
threat to this country and was strongly opposed to ISIS. He and his son were on
two very different political tracks.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
His son's actions had nothing to do with religion? And you believe that?
I don't think I said anything about believing it. The story is simply reporting
what he said.
Of course he's going to try to distance himself and Islam from those
actions.His son has been investigated by the FBI twice and they had to let him
go twice. He pledged allegiance to ISIS before his attack.
ISIS encourages "lone wolf" jihadis to make a public announcement of their
allegiance before taking action so ISIS can take credit. Pretty much pro forma.
Doesn't mean this dude had any previous connections to ISIS or that ISIS
directed the attack.
Just because his father proclaimed himself a Revolutionary President doesn't
mean he didn't run for Afghan president at one time.
Oh, please, Mike. No, he didn't run for Afghan president. Trump got it wrong
(surprise!). As I said, he came here in the early '80s.
He appears to be something of a flake, but he's obviously preoccupied with
what's happening in Afghanistan, and as I said, he's strongly opposed to the
Islamic State. There's nothing in the VOA story to suggest he is against the
U.S.--in fact, at one point he tried to get U.S. officials to work with him
against ISIS in Afghanistan.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Ummm, this guy's dad ran for Afghan president
Ummm, no, he didn't, actually. A year after the presidential election in
Afghanistan, he declared himself the "Revolutionary President" of the country.
He's a nationalist and very much against the Islamic State.
Whaddya know, your right-wing sources got it wrong AGAIN.
Orlando Shooter’s Father - Self-proclaimed 'Afghan President'
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| | | | Orlando Shooter’s Father - Self-proclaimed 'Afghan P...
Seddique Mateen, who lives in Florida, has been addressing Afghan people
through video messages on his Facebook account | |
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and currently has an internet show that is sympathetic to the
Taliban.Certainly the last thing the country needs are tens of thousands or
more, new Muslim Immigrants that aren't vetted any better than they are now. As
I've said, their religious beliefs don't require them to respect our laws or
culture. Ten more generations from now could see the same results.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
Wouldn't have stopped this guy, because he was born here. And his parents
likely came here back in the early '80s fleeing the war in Afghanistan, so
tougher scrutiny now wouldn't have stopped them either. If you think his
parents should have been stopped back then, you'll need to discuss it with
Ronald Reagan, who welcomed the Afghan war refugees.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
BTW, not bring more people with his kind of motivation into the country is a
start.
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