--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All valid observations and insights that you need to > temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the > validity of another's experience. You can only talk > about what you experience, not another.
True, but I think you can draw inferences from your own experience to other experiences. *Not* to challenge them for challenge's sake, but to understand that we all have the ability to *create* our own subjective experience out of desire for such an experience. If I know that about myself and my own experiences, and become comfortable with it, then I can infer it with regard to the experiences of others, and be comfort- able with theirs as well. > And certainly > don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. > Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. > Amen. I think that my point is that no one will ever "get" *anybody*. Maharishi is no different than any other human being on the planet in that regard. > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > > > > > > transcending my intellect, > > > > > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to > > his > > > > > > actions. Like a master- > > > > > > disciple relationship only in the > > transcendent; > > > > > > ONLY in the > > > > > > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on > > the > > > > > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and > > ego up > > > > > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of > > Brahman > > > > > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all > > the > > > > > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva > > whirling in > > > > > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. > > > > > > > > And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this > > > > is a subjective feeling. > > > > > > A polite way of saying "mood making", perhaps? > > > > > > And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of > > ones own > > > projections of how the world (and gurus) should > > be? I mean > > > if one thinks MMY or whoever is "IT", "THE ONE", > > won't the > > > mind almost automatically create a sense of that > > experience > > > when one sees them? Particularly if it is a > > > rare event / (always a) special occasion? > > > > Absolutely. The rarer the event is, the more likely > > it is that the expected experience will occur. > > > > > Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were > > around MMY > > > constantly experience him as "blazing brahman". > > > > Absolutely not. That's why most of them left. Each > > of us is free to decide whether they were right in > > their decision to leave or not. > > > > > Could the need to experience a teacher as "blazing > > brahman" justify > > > the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at > > least in part as > > > trivial and silly projects of his? > > > > I think so. There is a strong tendency in all humans > > to justify what one has dedicated years to. This > > tendency > > often keeps people paying lip service to what they > > have > > dedicated years to *years* past the time when they > > no > > longer feel it deserves their dedication. Most of > > the > > people I've ever met who have walked away from a > > strong > > involvement with a spiritual tradition have said > > that > > they did so several years later than they should > > have. > > The realization that they no longer "fit" predated > > their ability to accept or act on that realization. > > > > > Someone once said that the grandeur of the > > "described" experience > > > around the teacher is inversely proportional to > > ones proximity. > > > > There *is* a proximity factor at work here. The aura > > > > of a teacher is usually stronger in his/her close > > proximity than it is far away. That is, until and > > unless one develops an inner connection with the > > teacher that transcends time and space. At that > > point, distance no longer matters. > > > > But there are a myriad of energies that swirl around > > a strong spiritual teacher. In my opinion, some of > > these energies have to do with enlightenment, with > > eternity itself. Other of the energies have to do > > with the finite teacher and his or her good points, > > and his or her lingering samskaras. One of the > > things > > that tends to happen when one is in close proximity > > to a strong teacher is that one is bombarded by both > > types of energies, and can have a hard time figuring > > out which is which. Thus people sometimes begin to > > mistake the strong energy of the lingering samskaras > > > > for the strong energy of enlightenment. > > > > Just an opinion, but one based on experience... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. 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