--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > enlightenment does not adhere > > > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. > > > > > > I've been given to understand that enlightenment > > > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to > > > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists > > > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when > > > their adherents attain end states they call awakening > > > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their > > > experiences differently from one another but > > > consistent with their traditions. > > > > > > Native Americans have no such states in their > > > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not > > > something that all traditions recognize. > > > > > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master > > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept > > > determines percept. > > > > > > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. > > > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. > > > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with > > > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to > > > any tradition. > > > > > Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish > > to read no further... > > > > Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot > > of them, to serve us all in such diversity. > > > > What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, > > the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and > > in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the > > same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. > > Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists, > Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just > spouting off platitudes that sound good. > I looked up platitude: a banal, trite, or stale remark. Anyone that knows me personally knows that I am just about anti-platitude. What is the value of spouting off platitudes? as they are from memory, exactly as you describe; to make one feel good.
But the difference is they are mood-making. I already expressed myself regarding mood-making. You also asked, 'says who'? Good question. Do you have an answer? > > Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of > > the spiritual traditions become accessible, > > And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual > traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing > actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their > proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have > accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened? > > > so that we gain a much > > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can > > enjoy them as we wish. > > Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song. > Oh well. Perhaps you can say it better? I try mightily to write well, and sometimes I fail. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
