Hey braaahmaan, Rather than uploading files like the following to the files area, I would like to suggest that you add links to them to the index I started at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/links/_FairfieldLife_Index_00111 7813309/ (http://tinyurl.com/bq3do) Create new folders if necessary to keep things categorized nicely. Others are welcome to do likewise whenever you see a post that you feel should be added to the index (e.g., because it's noteworthy and memorable).
Thanks, Rick Here's what you uploaded, in case people don't know what I'm talking about: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82167 > Peter writes: > What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the > degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off > if someone talks about some sort of Realization > experience? Braaahmaan: Seeing this repost of Peter's comment prompted me to go beyond my impression that there have been no recent posts of "people get so pissed-off if someone talks about some sort of Realization experience?" to actually check the last four days of posts for such. I can't find any. Balls in your court Peter. It appears to be an incorrect impression on your part. But I am certanly open to new insights and changing my view if you can provide a post or two where "people get so pissed-off if someone talks about some sort of Realization experience?" The larger question in my mind, is why you have that impression if there are no such recent posts? My angle of interest is the cognitive science contributions that show that so much of what we "perceive" what we think is "out there" is actually something happening in the internal cognitive apparatus. Since you have been trained to recognize such, and to help others do so [I presume your job invlves some of that - sorry if I presume incorrectly], I find you a great case study, as in "jeez even if a professional who is trained in this and deals in it everyday makes sizable cognitve gaffs, what about the rest of us, we must be doing it even MORE." on 12/16/05 1:43 PM, braaahmaan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> --- jim_flanegin wrote: >>>> >>>> enlightenment does not adhere >>>> to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. >>> >>> I've been given to understand that enlightenment >>> changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to >>> another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists >>> disagree with Hindus on key points, and when >>> their adherents attain end states they call awakening >>> or enlightenment, the attainees describe their >>> experiences differently from one another but >>> consistent with their traditions. >>> >>> Native Americans have no such states in their >>> traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not >>> something that all traditions recognize. >>> >>> View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master >>> as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept >>> determines percept. >>> >>> I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. >>> I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. >>> I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with >>> the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to >>> any tradition. >>> >> ******** >> >> Gee, Patrick, I 'm crushed to see how quickly you've forgotten > "process and product are >> one". >> >> L B S > > > I think 'process and product" or "process percipitates product" or > "process produces pupil" or "process pre-determines perception" > "process predisposes perception" are all good angles that may account > for quite different ahcievments and subsequent views by spiritual > aspirants. The dogmatic, knee-jerk view is "many paths, one mountain", > while the reality may be "many paths, many moutains" (coined by LBS?) > > Regardless, all such are opinions without some field work, experience > in various traditions' practices, or at least review of current > scholarshipint he matter (which I understand is vast). > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
