Steve, I honestly don’t even know where to begin with this, and others have 
already answered, and far better than I can as of right now.

I’ll just say…going after Kaine for his vociferousness (and calling it 
“scripted”) while letting Pence off the hook for his obviously practiced and 
pervasive lying (You don’t think he had an agenda?  Like the nomination in 4 
years maybe?) and denying things that millions have heard and that’s easily 
found on video…if that isn’t deeply troubling to you (and hugely insulting as 
well, it’s all but calling their supporters too stupid to remember what most of 
them heard) then we must inhabit different universes.  

even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them

Wow.  Good luck with this one.

Sal 




On Oct 6, 2016, at 7:04 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel afterwards. 
 But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed Kaine to "go 
after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but didn't come off 
particularly well doing so.

I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.

But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"

Any thought?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, 
<salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?    Pence could easily 
be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and oiliness.  Even 
against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe or something.

Sal 


On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... <mailto:olliesedwuz@...> 
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

> There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently 
> believe that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
> righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
> the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 
> 
> I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' 
> was farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine 
> refuting them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, 
> and the usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain 
> of reality. 
> 
> Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
> 
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, 
> <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, 
> <authfriend@...> wrote :
> 
> For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as 
> a spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
> degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
> welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
> these candidates with every fiber of their being.
> 
> 
> 
> Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
> understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
> mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
> frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the 
> right of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for 
> Hillary/Kaine - my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.
> 




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