In renewed social critique, with the dislocations in society from rapid technological changes like in the ‘social question’ of the 19th Century renewed, is there alternative here to so much of what is in this postmodern time period’s spiritual agitation and conflict-making, like taking a fresh alternative towards looking to the science of radical peace-making?
Is it come time for something radical, like a making of peace, going up in magnitude to a much larger scale? To go much higher than 1 percent, 5 in 100, much higher than the square root of one percent of a group meditating. Is it come time now for new critique and something more. In experience Transcendentalism has always been the critique to materialism that has gone out of perspective. Given the stakes, it would seem in the modern now it is time for revolutionary transforming transcendent meditationist action everywhere. QED. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : We are grateful to all those who came answering the call and sat up in their meditations with us in Fairfield, Iowa. It has been our honor to have had those who traveled from distant places join alongside us here in collective meditation in these times. From time in memorium this is called the work of moral courage where people, deeper spiritual people [transcendentalists] do this, come in to groups meditating together for something larger. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yes. If i understand properly, there are bodies of studies now authored, collaboratively with other reputable universities and institutions, and conducted independent of the .org, published studies that have extremely high statistical p values and then also aggregated high p values studies, replicated too that correlate the effects of meditating. Gold standard stuff. So the premise is that at a point the plain truth of such a series of extremely extraordinarily high p value published studies in the aggregate simply becomes statistical truth. A type of fact. What they correlate becomes fair ‘rule of thumb’. Unless of course as people may be anti-science or don’t understand science this way they may not grok what is completely current in the cutting edge of knowledge. This does not deny that there was bad or poorly designed or poorly performed science on meditation that went before. However, a sheer weight of the best of science is plainly correlating that it is a statistical truth now and quite fair rule of thumb that meditating has benefits that go with its practice. QED. It would be far better for you look at the webpage of http://www.truthabouttm.org/ http://www.truthabouttm.org/ towards engaging a much higher level of understanding of these things. I only know my objective experience with it all which I find statistically certain in many replicable ways for myself. -JaiGuruYou yifux...@yahoo.com> wrote : Thx,....statements like this should be put into a proper perspective. As to the Hagelin Premise where he basically says that peace follows from the ME which is "peer reviewed" and supported by "statistics"; which "peers" is he talking about, and who collected the stats. If Dr. Hagelin is reading this, kindly provide the reference(s) on the peer reviewed journals, if any. .. If you're reading this, Dr. Hagelin, feel free to jump in and rebut. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Waging radical peace... Hagelin's Premise.. Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Hagelin's Premise, A premise large in assertion and direction like a Monroe Doctrine, The Marshall Plan or the Meissner-like Maharishi Effect, now as matter of statistical fact: The Hagelin Premise. Hagelin’s Premise : It is time to rally to meditation by all that the best of modern science tells us is statistical truth and by what we know more objectively in our experience as quite fair rule of thumb. It is quite time now to come together in collective meditation for all that is good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Discourses at the Ammachi darshans in Detroit this week were a lot about making a connection of cultivating/gaining spiritual strength from spiritual practices along with compassionate humanitarianism, as you say. Light in the body, feet on the ground. "Do the work." Yifuxero writes: Thx, the case of a connection between Transcendence and compassionate humanitarianism, perhaps can be undermined or even dismissed from a Neo-Advaitic viewpoint by saying that Transcendence alone does not imply any particular action. However, recent research coming from several areas does indeed bolster the connection between Transcendence (if done by enough people) and Global Peace.; but I must object to the idea that MMY made those connections. The new argument can be bolstered by merging 3 sources: 1. Sam Harris, 2. The polyvagal axis theory, and 3. the brain's production of Oxytocin, which is part of (2). First, from Neurophysiologist Harris: (a reasoned hypothesis) That silent medication may lead to increased awareness which leads to Empathy for others (an ability to feel what others are feeling, in some way). Finally, the increased ability to Empathize leads to what the Buddhists call Compassion (related to the love concept but slightly different). 2. Second, the Polyvagal axis, already covered on this forum. Thx Doug for introducing this to the forum.. 3. The measurement of Oxytocin output after the subject engages in various experimental activities. Oxytocin is the body's "Love molecule". For example, petting animals might stimulate hormone. High up on the list of activities that generate an Oxy response is Compassionate meditation: (silent meditation coupled with a feeling of Compassion). Therefore the missing ingredient not emphasized by MMY to any great extent is Compassion. Shalom Aleichem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yes, the Domes in Fairfield quite evidently are activating places spiritually too like these places are for an individual or collective. There certainly is a reality to that. Like sitting in gathered Quaker meetings meditating In effect wages peace as place more profoundly founded in what is a silence of their spiritual processes. Waging Peace now given these agitated and divided times, the imperative seems to rise as we come to know more. This becomes like a duty. Duty for those who know how to pursue and wage radical peace spiritually. To the call..to help, -JaiGuruYou Yifuxero writes: On the topic of group vs solitary meditation, having meditated in Charlie Lutes' group, the Shakti was quote powerful, but so was meditating alone in the SIMS initiation rooms. But positively the MOST powerful Shakti site I've been in was the Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood, CA. Thx Jim, another great essay on your part that I agree with. I've come up with a hypothesis that moral values (as a set of ethics, a major branch of philosophy), can ultimately be derived from Game Theory. Some of the results can be duplicated with a computer, but given the limited power of computers, we would have to speculate on an overall conclusion with large numbers of people.. Take tribal behavior. There's an optimum population which gives rise to a cohesive tribe (I believe it's approximately 150 people). Too little, and the members can't come together to formulate (not consciously), game-theoretic rules which enhance tribal survival. Division of labor for example. With too many people, the tribe may break off into sects that ultimately war against each other. The more simplistic outcomes can be programmed using game theory, matching what we observe. On the topic of Transcendence, I've come up with a new Koan: "Before Enlightenment, an asshole chopping wood and carrying water. After Enlightenment, as asshole chopping wood and carrying water". Thijs doesn't apply to you. I'm thinking of people like Adi Da, but that's a judgment on my part. On the topic of group vs solitary meditation, having meditated in Charlie Lutes' group, the Shakti was quote powerful, but so was meditating alone in the SIMS initiation rooms. But positively the MOST powerful Shakti site I've been in was the Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood, CA. Shalom Aleichem From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Waging Peace. Meditators! It is time for Waging Radical Peace, in groups meditating, this call now to meditation is like A Moral Equivalent of War. Paraphrased, what William James would say to meditators today: Meditators, this meditation against war is going to be no holiday excursion or camping party. The post-election feelings of division are too deeply grounded to abdicate their place until better ideals as substitutes are offered than the glory and shame that come to people and nations by politics and vicissitudes of trade and commerce in making war. It is time, for A Moral Equivalent of War: a radical modern peace-making, in meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : We are most grateful to all those who came answering the call and sat up in their meditations with us in Fairfield, Iowa. It has been our honor to have had those who traveled from distant places joining alongside us here in collective meditation in these times. -JaiGuruYou Those of you that have been going to the Domes recently will be aware that many of our friends from across the country have joined us here in Fairfield over the last week or so, and they have helped boost the overall attendance in evening program to over 750 people. If you aren't able to attend any of the official flying halls, please try to do group program together with friends in 2s, 3s, 4s, etc., whatever is convenient, and aim to start your yogic flying practice at the official CST times of 8:15 am and 5:45 pm. Jai Guru Dev Raja John Hagelin and the Ideal Community Group Bhairitu writes: I think Doug is lost in the nostalgia of early 1970s TM which ended when the "self appointed" purity gestapo returned from AofE courses. On 11/16/2016 11:01 AM, upfronter mailto:upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, forgive this voicing of a different viewpoint, but this one's personal opinion is that one genuine disciplined meditator meditating regularly amongst 100 non-meditators is more effective in society than 100 meditators meditating amongst themselves - although there is certainly a beneficial social family aspect which cannot be denied from similar association on such a deep level. Besides, I personally have a different spiritual philosophy to that expounded by Maharishi, one which differs in certain fundamental aspects, it would seem, one which touches both my heart and mind deeply in a manner that leaves no room for the grafting of branches from other trees. I’m not sure I could listen to too much coffee-shop conversation without suggesting the smelling of stronger coffee all round. Jai Guru Dev. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : FW: e-mail response, Try to meditate in groups with a grateful heart. Remember all that TM has given you- is giving you, the countless blessings, and return your gratitude to the source. Gratitude and praise open a channel for support of nature to come to you. Listen to and read what Maharishi said about the Maharishi Effect. A full commitment by individuals who gather in groups is all that it takes. Future generations will be so grateful when they learn about you--what you did for them, this world, the future. And that includes the sacrifices you made moving to Fairfield remaining true to your convictions and to the tradition from which the knowledge came. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : Quite a few of my friends meditate, and some are teachers, but most of us live far from Fairfield, IA. But we are scattered over a wide area so group gatherings of meditators tends to take place only during quarterly celebrations or occasional group meditations. Attempting to get enlightened is not a military campaign against the outer world, it is a campaign against our inner inadequacies.... From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Yes, it is quite time now to STFU and meditate. As in, ..Sit up, attend to and actually meditate. In groups. It is time to rally to meditation by all that the best of modern science tells us is statistical truth and by what we know more objectively in our experience as quite fair rule of thumb. It is quite time now to come together in collective meditation for all that is good. It is quite time now to ‘SitTFU’ and meditate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Brave meditators, you have done all we asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected; but your own global country of World Peace is at stake, your partners, families, your homes and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues and hardships of waging world peace, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay in the Domes only one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty of all and to your global country of world peace which you probably never can do under any other circumstances. Free Accommodation Extended.. In conjunction with the extension of October Surprise and thanks to the generosity of Raja Hagelin, free accommodation at the ILA Campus (Pandit Campus) is also extended until the morning of Nov 15th. With warmest wishes to all, Ideal Community Group ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : No, the morning of the Election there were only a few more than 300 in the men's Dome. Yours sounds like speculation. Should need better control for results to publish. Evidently the best research would relate that just having 800 turning out once (spread around in 11 different locations in Fairfield-M.Vedic City) is not enough to have much positive national effect. We could have used you up here towards better results. People evidently are way too complacent around this, if they understand the consequence of meditating at all. Also, published Science Research for religious rites is not nearly so conclusive as for groups meditating. More research is needed. -JaiGuruYou
