; Aug 1, 2006 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > The Meditating Community and the TMO, Fairfieldlife. > > > Fairfield Life, Indexing the Story Here at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > The FFL list can be read off the internet from its homepage, without > having to be a member. Go to the home page, start there by clicking > on 'messages'. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages > > > From there you can insert these numbers into the message # search > box. That will take you to the area of the archive of these threads. > > > Often I point newcomers, recent arrivals or outsiders to FFL through > this list. Below is a quick index. Scroll down through this index > and survey the range of subject threads. > > This index includes many various summary posts in the archive like: > > > > -the petition contained in post # 3811 (The Meditating Rift Here) > > -The TMO, partitioning the Meditating Community thread, # 3478 > > -Meditating Classical Concert Pianist Banned from MUM thread #3113 > (late Nov, Dec '02) > > -Meditating Irish Musician Banned from MUM # 2963 > > -Meditators Banned from MUM # 4219 , 4402 > > > -Is Everyone Welcome? 953 > > -The difference between a shooting star and a falling one: # 2960 > > > The Meditating Community Mexican Stand-off: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26429 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26429 > > > > > -The one hundred millionaires thread # 985 or 949 > > -Some resolution #726 and thread > > -Heavenly Mountain # 935 > > -Legal remedy and threads # 3965 > > -The meditating community-wide survey # 3896 thread > > Also look in the "files" section of FFL. The actual survey is > archived there. The seeds of the present where present then in > 1994~ It is a very interesting reading. > > -Fairfield and the TMO, the dwindle # 4724 > > -The Iowa Meditating Landscape, Trickle-down Depopulation 4503 , > 4502 , 13564 > > -The Kaplans and their money threads, # 3040 or # 3420 > > > The recurring million dollar questions spread throughout the archive: > > -Fiscal Soundness summary, 5958 > > -Financial disclosure thread, 5012, 5026 > > The Real Estate Guru, D Magazine, 10938 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10938 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10938 > > Estimating the Assets: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13902 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13902 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13959 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13959 > > > Hartford Advocate, Maharishi's Hotel of Emptiness: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/17234 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/17234 > > TMO purchases NYC Wall Street building > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28546 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28546 > > > -Endowing, process and The Meditating Community 637 > > -The Kaplan Lawsuit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10936 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10936 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13217 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13217 > > > -Kaplans > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13274 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13274 > > > -Lawsuit Against the Kaplans > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/17110 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/17110 > > (More on the Kaplans & Heavenly Mountain in sequence below) > > > -The TMO and the CIA thread 5752 > > -Threats in the fair field, 5057 and 5063 , 30276 > > > -What is the hook here, what is the story here thread, # 4813 # > 4762 > > -The Sex Summaries I-IV, 6154 through 6157 and and also posts during > late December 2002 and post # 7663, > > - Sexy-Sadie.txt, A compilation of posts about MMY's other guru > life. In the "files" section of FFL: > http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/gIA3QBSi0yiUE0KAJU0EYsFiuNMzTjUDZ9j_z6LV http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/gIA3QBSi0yiUE0KAJU0EYsFiuNMzTjUDZ9j_z6LV > 5ZzXmp28u4oqzeDr-oTxvZoE24PfMGM0qlTS19MYa1GOhseOzU9TQi15Llf-/Sexy- > Sadie.txt > You might have to sign in to read the 'files' section of the FFL > archive > > > -Summarized Topic Articles Titled:, 4813 > > -Guru Dev's Discourse: Gyan & Bhakti 7883 and 7884 > > -TM Scandals a Logical Sequence, 7430, Insights to TMO in India, 7504 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13338 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13338 > > > -J.Krishnamurti, 1929 Speech Dissolving his organization, post 7513 > > -Search for Global Queen, 7664 > > -Just go, don't enter in to the politics, Karunamayi, 7849 > > -Tax-exempt Status Lost, 7793 > > -TM&Sedona, 7510 > > - Walking the dog, where to go to learn meditation outside the cult: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13502 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13502 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37303 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37303 > > > > -MMY's comments about other techniques, links: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28270 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28270 > > > -The Diaspora, The Informal-TMO, 8176 > > -Bevan, MUM Presidential Frolic'ng , 8220 > > About Cult in the TMO culture.. 10346 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10346 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10346 > Cult test: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10307 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/10307 > > Of Contracts, vows and loyalty testing thread 10307, 10319 > > -Funding the Pundits thread, 12679, 13565, 16026 Rudra's Letter: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13305 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13305 > > > > > Also MMY's Family Money : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13568 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13568 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31999 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31999 > Mahapatra: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/48039 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/48039 > > > > Zimmerman money: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13226 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13226 > > TMO 'investment' properties in India > http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=25966 > http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=25966 > > Spiritual Accounting: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19273 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19273 > > > -TMO announcement concerning the "End of the World" > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/12690 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/12690 > > > - 12801 Dealing with scandal, Killing the Buddha thread. > > - charges of Impropriety thread > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14528 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14528 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14535 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14535 > > > > -Spiritual Accounting, 'Reputational Capital': > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19401 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19401 > > > -Fairfield life, prognosis Fall '03, 13043 > > - 13610 Raising Kids in the TMO thread. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13610 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/13610 > > > -Murder on Campus, the thread unravels starting from: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19830 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19830 > (good insight in to the sociology of the FF meditating community, > skim the successive posts for about two weeks after this initial > post.) March 2004 > > -Statistics:Unreported crime in culture. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14107 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/14107 > > > - TMO Cult of Vastu & FF: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19286 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/19286 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/39014 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/39014 > > > -Skimming Tuitions, Muhurt > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20441 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20441 > 29487 > > -An MUM student's observations from inside: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20449 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20449 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20565 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20565 > > > Insights to the Fairfield utopian experiment: > > 1) Summary Review, The Super-Radiance Theory, the "N-squared effect" > of group meditations: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/21796 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/21796 > > 2) MMY commencement charge to MUM grads: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28801 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28801 > > > 3) TM & "Meissner" Effect: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20748 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20748 > > > 4) FF super-radiance, some history: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 > > > Rigor, credibility of TMO research: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37535 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37535 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37561 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37561 > also a long discussion several days before and after 1 Nov. 2005: > see home page table of message history, click on 1 Nov 2005 & > navigate using the `previous' and `next' buttons. > > > > Heavenly Mountain Disputed more: > > Published Article: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26773 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26773 > > e-letter from David Kaplan: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26771 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/26771 > > > Kaplans tell Purusha & Mother Divine to vacate Heavenly Mt. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28540 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28540 > > Judge dismisses cases against Kaplans in Heavenly Mt. rift > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28541 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28541 > > Articles on Heavenly Mt. rift, June '04: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28542 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28542 > > > Kaplans revisited, thread: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/38168 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/38168 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30263 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30263 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30266 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30266 > > Earl Kaplan's Letter 4.16.04 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/32360 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/32360 > > > > > More meditators banned: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/24466 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/24466 > > At MUM, Leave none un-fleeced: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/24857 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/24857 > > > Pundit Update, May 04: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/25194 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/25194 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/25607 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/25607 > > > Guidestar: Non-profit indexing to IRS filings: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28039 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28039 > > > Heavy Fundraising Announcement, June-04: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28805 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28805 > > > TMO buys NYC building: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28546 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28546 > > Replies to TMO fund-raisings & NYC building acquisition: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28725 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28725 > > Also: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28769 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28769 > 28864 29116 29213 > > > Belief & Disillusionment: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28812 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/28812 > > > > Hegelin defending the bannings, the fundraising and status quo > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 > > > > Kirkpatrick defending the status quo: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/67668 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/67668 > True-believing in method: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31716 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31716 > > > > Quelling Meeting with Hagelin: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29307 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29307 > > Notes & replies on the meeting: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29534 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29534 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29416 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29416 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29522 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29522 > > Hagelin & the Factor of Meditating Community Trust Lost: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29603 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29603 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29604 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29604 > > Hagelin: TMO Fundraising Income tied to bank loans for more money: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29959 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29959 > > > > Outline 6-04: restructuring the movement distilled, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29512 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29512 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29548 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29548 > > > Hagelin defending the bannings in FF public meeting. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 > > > > > > TMO Business practice in method, examples: > Money sent abroad on MSAE: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29565 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29565 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29571 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29571 > > Stiffing swimming pool contractors, solicited co-signatures & hotel > housing http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29575 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29575 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29591 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29591 > > > Buses: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29580 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29580 > > The Culture of Tactic: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29606 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29606 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29595 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29595 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30078 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30078 > > i.e., More suitcases of cash: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30299 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30299 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30313 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30313 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/33737 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/33737 > > > Pundit money co-mingled and sent abroad: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30244 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30244 > > > Appreciated Avon Lake Property Sold: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34237 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34237 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34300 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34300 > > > The Earl Kaplan Letter 4.16.04 Text: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/32360 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/32360 > > > The Donor Diaspora, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30972 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30972 > > M. Vedic City reviewed, NH Union Leader article: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34353 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/34353 > > > Local Politics: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/35678 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/35678 > > Public Funding for things 'Vedic': > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37233 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/37233 > > Evangelical Christians and Meditators, Evangelizing FF: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79479 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79479 > > > Heavy Metals in AV Indian Herbs, Forbes Article Discussion: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/38375 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/38375 > > > Pundit Update thread, 12.29.2004 # 39211 > > Camelot, Oklahoma Peace Palace article 10.2005: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77386 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77386 > > TMO cashes out Florida Vedaland 5.2005: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/55574 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/55574 > > Re-certification: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/56424 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/56424 > > Guardian Article, MMY pulls out of England: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68040 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68040 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68636 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68636 > > > Skelmersdale Article 8.2005, TMOrg meditators split: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/67944 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/67944 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80923 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80923 > > > Fairfield longtime meditators: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30785 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/30785 > > Peace at a Price, Oregon article: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68635 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68635 > > > Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups in Fairfield: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77260 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77260 Directory > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/76965 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/76965 (threads) > > > Teaching TM in Peace Palaces 2005 : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77915 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77915 > > > Trademark and Indi-teaching of TM, > St. Louis Sentencing program: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77997 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77997 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80922 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80922 > Florida: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81194 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81194 > California: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82186 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82186 > > > TMO editing PR (NYTimes article): > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79381 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79381 > > Threads in Delusion of Self-importance: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83004 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83004 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83006 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83006 > > > Threads of self-importance, money & management: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82885 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82885 > > Blackstone Hotel sold: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83007 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83007 > Peace Palaces in Pittsburgh: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81104 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81104 > > > These posts scratch the surface. > > > The four-plus year archive here does tell a story. > > You will find the story when you prowl around. > > It becomes apparent. > > Jai Guru Dev, -Doug > > > > > Continuing on about the culture of the FFL list: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Mike Doughney" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k1 wrote: > > > > for a little perspective, how would you tell an outsider > > > > what the story is here? > > > > Mike and also "L_B_Shriver <l_b_shriver@y...>" <l_b_shriver@y...> > write: > snip > > > Like all online forums focused on the (TMOrg) movement and its > > programs that I'm aware of, discussion migrates into what I'd > call "in the head" things - talk of experiences and the > movement's explanations/dogmas regarding those experiences. > All of this is just meaningless noise to the outside observer, who > will just tune out unless they're acclimated to the fact that these > discussions are just like that, and to get any information about > the "story" they're going to have to dig for a considerable amount > of time to find something interesting and understandable in all > the noise. > ***** > > L B:I agree about the digging, although there are nuggets of pure > gold in this chat from time to time. > > > I'd also say that this phenomenon is by design, that any > discussion of actual quality of life issues gets dwarfed by all this > one-upsmanship centered on experiences and interpretation > thereof. It's a learned habit, showing what people are really > attached to, and that attachment seems to be something distinct > from concrete quality of life issues, and it's learned from the > movement because the movement tends to be like that. But to an > > outsider it makes no sense at all. > > Rick Archer writes: > Major media have done balanced stories on other spiritual movements. > Someone posted a link here to a New Yorker story on Muktananda's > movement which covered the money, sex, and internal politics issues > quite thoroughly. The Times of India and other media have covered > the > Sai Baba story extensively. If these things are done right, they're > of interest to a wide readership. > > What do we have here? > > Sex: numerous personal secretaries and maybe some of the women would > be happy to talk to reporters. > > Money: this would take some serious sleuth work by an outfit larger > than the Fairfield Ledger preferably one with correspondents in > India. Does M's family own mansions and Rolls Royce's? Let's see > photos. What does the movement have to show for the millions it has > raised? > > Politics: the banning issues here in Fairfield. > > All three of these angles have at their root the issue of honesty > and > integrity. How wide is the gulf between the public façade and the > actual reality? In a truly healthy movement, there would be no gulf. > > > Archer <rick@s...> > wrote: > > Major media have done balanced stories on other spiritual > movements. > > L B: I agree that there are people out there capable of doing it > right, > but I was thinking more in terms of the mainstream media > outlets in the regional markets. (Local)KTVO, WHO, KGAN, KCRG. > These guys never go for depth, in my experience. The Des > Moines Register is capable of getting it right sometimes, but > often settles for the cheap shot. So the story will not be well told > until it falls into the hands of a really good story teller. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "dhamiltony2k1 > <dhamiltony2k1@y...>" <dhamiltony2k1@y...> wrote: > > > for a little perspective, how would you tell an outsider > > what the story is here? > > > > > > Certainly a large part of the story here is that there is a > community > > of people who have pursued a spiritual practice for over 20 and 30 > > years, a meditating-community. The story also includes that there > > have become some spiritually very powerful people in their own > > experience here, from this life of focused pursuit. Some of the > flow > > of subject thread of this list indicates this aspect of what is > going > > on here. > > > > We have some lit people here. This is part of the story > > along with the meditator bannings, the sx, the fund-raisings, the > > projects, the TMO and the Kaplans' lost money, money appropriated > etc. > > >That there is > > spiritual experience here is what keeps people here while there is > > also conflict here now. > > That there are lit people here quietly pursuing their 'sadhana' on > their own or in other small groups now is partly why things are > > changing within the meditating community of FF. For instance, > this is also what > > draws the repeating flow of saints, sadus & pundits through here > > these last few years. The 'Shakti' of a few thousand meditators > who have pursued their meditation practice now for 20, 30 and 40 > years here is something to > > behold and there is word out about it in the larger spiritual > community. > > >This also is manifestly a part of > > Fairfieldlife and is partly why people are so earnest, apart from > parts of the campus and its TMO cult mood- > > making. Yes, 'Jai Guru Dev', and with gratitude to Maharishi; > > however, in looking, there is a story of change here going on now. > > It is a fascinating story for what it is. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, -Doug > > > > > > > > > Fairfieldlife, what is the story here? > > > > I get e-mail sent to me on the side. For instance, this was sent > to > > me on the side: > > > > <Paste> > > <I've actually been on the FairfieldLife list myself for about a > > month -- > > I didn't feel like I was as in touch as I wanted to be with what > was > > going on in the community. I've been following the recent > exchanges > > about people being banned from campus for seeing Ammachi with some > > interest and trying to figure out if there was a > > story to write about it. > > > > > > > > <I would like to look into this more. I'm curious as to what you > see > > the > > main "hook" as. Are the incidents with Suzanne Niedermeyer and Tim > > Britton the big things right now? Or is it the declining number of > > people in the domes? Or is it, just overall, the rift between > M.U.M. > > and > > the meditating community as a whole? > > > > > > > > <I guess another question I have is, is there a rift with people > > pretty > > much on one side or the other, or are there a lot of people who > don't > > offend anyone and don't care? And how many people would you guess > are > > siding with the university admin. as opposed to being ostracized > by > > it? > > > > > > > > <Would you be interested in meeting to talk sometime, or is e- mail > > better > > for you? Let me know. I'd also be looking for other folks to talk > > to. > > I can get some names off the Yahoo group, but anyone you can steer > me > > to > > in particular would be better. > > > > <end paste> >> > > > > > > For some time now I have been inviting outsiders to this > > list. Since about Thanksgiving, I have been going to the major > print- > > media, radio and cable editors inviting their writers to look in > on > > the story here. I have persistently gone through at least all of > the > > major print media once or twice going to their web pages ferreting > > out > > their editors and inviting them with a cover letter about the > story > > here. To academia also. > > > > > > Some one a little while ago on the list here cautioned that we > > should be careful what we are saying here , that "the Des Moines > > Register or the AP" might pick it up. Well, actually they are here > > too in all likelihood. There is more than just "us" here lurking. > > > > So for a little perspective, how would you tell an outsider > > what the story is here? > > > > There is at least an anthropology PhD. thesis here, but there is > > a story here. How would you break it down for an outsider to see? > > What is the hook here? > > > > Jai Guru Dev, -Doug > Call to action; July 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 Except, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974
[FairfieldLife] Re: Index to FFL Aug 1, 2006
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:24:17 -0700
