Yes, it is an analogy and simply reducing it down in narrow formula seems a narrow mentation as thinking strictly about it and evidently misses what is going on in the experience of the Meissner-like effect (ME) as two or more are gathered in proximity meditating. The certainty of the research now should urge people out to get their meditations checked and come meditate with the group for good reason. JGD
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
