--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
> > > >> devas, the less "religious" they seem.  Sort of like
> > > >> "Christ" the divine/human center of the Christian
> > > >> religion, versus the universal "Christ" as a mode of
> > > >> consciousness.
> > > > 
> > > > I've been trying to remember if I've ever heard anyone
> > > > say or write, "My mantra came to visit me in a tangible
> > > > form, and I saw it to be a god." Nothing comes to mind.
> > > > That leaves the abstract understanding, which indeed
> > > > has no religious feelings for me.
> > > 
> > > Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you 
> eventually
> > > do perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
> > 
> > Sure.  But is it an actual personified being, or is it
> > how one's own perception translates the abstraction into
> > something it can grasp?
> 
> ...that IS what a personified being is: one's own perception 
> translates the abstraction into something it can grasp.

That's what I think too.  I'm asking whether the
personified being exists independently of that
translation; I don't believe it does.






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