--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > > > > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and 
not 
> > > > > > > be the least bit aware of his addiction to being a 
> > > > > > > dishonest, pompous, self-important asshole?
> > 
> > Because he is having 'experiences of realization', plural.
> > 
> > Realization is not something that comes and goes. All the other 
> > stuff is sign posts pointing the way to it. Realization, when 
the 
> > experience comes, stays. 
> 
> For the period it stays.  :-)
> 
> If it's stayed a while for you, maybe it will 
> continue to do so.  Then again, maybe it will
> be gone tomorrow and you'll feel like a 
> consummate ass for claiming to know how the
> universe works, eh?  :-)

I hope so!

> 
> > There is no sometimes its there and sometimes its not. It is the 
> > culmination of a process of culturing the nervous system to be 
> > able to exist in any state and continue to have the experience 
of 
> > Realization, simultaneously (just like everyone says...). 
> 
> Well, that's a nice theory.  

Experience only- no theories. Something I have watched occur.

Me, I don't believe
> that the state of one's nervous system has anything
> whatsover to do with realization.  

Well...it IS a paradox...The culturing of the nervous system, and 
what I mean by that is the learning of the nervous system to adjust 
appropriately and instantaneously to every moment, such that the 
experience of the absolute is not lost, or overshadowed, is a 
necessary element for sustaining Realization. However, the choice is 
always ours whether or not we choose to turn ourselves inside out, 
and in so doing, accept Realization.

So it seems there are two experiences, one purely mechanical, and 
one we bring about willingly. Both are interdependent.

Nothing in the
> state of the nervous system can prevent realization,
> and nothing in it can 'cause' realization.  Reali-
> zation just is.  Sometimes it is clearly, sometimes
> it's not.  :-)

> 
> > So, if we are just having periods of lucidity, alternating with 
> > periods of mud, we are not Realized, and can still be enslaved 
to 
> > our small e ego.
> 
> Cool.  If you're claiming to be "Realized," that
> can be your definition of what you're claiming to
> be, eh?  I'm not claiming to be anything...
>
No claims here. No claim checks needed either ;). Just writing about 
experience. What else is there?





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