--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 1/2/06 9:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Different cultures define "caring" in different ways. The > > TMO's > > > > > > founder is Hindu, and charity work isn't always the top of > > the > > > list > > > > > > for Hindus, I guess due to the reincarnation/karma thing. > > > > > > > > > > Amma's a Hindu, and it's at the top of her list. Karunamayi > is > > a > > > > Hindu. She > > > > > too sets up hospitals, schools, etc. Gandhi was a Hindu. The > > list > > > > goes on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you've got the answer to all of life's problems (i.e. TM), > > why > > > > waste your precious time setting up hospitals and stuff like > > that? > > > > > > > > And I'm not trying to be glib here. Assuming for the moment > > that > > > you > > > > accept the premise that TM is everything it is claimed to be, > > why > > > > waste precious and limited resources on charity work like > > schools > > > and > > > > food banks? > > > > > > > > Indeed, I would make the argument that the TMO is wasting > > precious > > > > resources with side issues like Vastu, Yagyas, NLP, etc. when > > > you've > > > > got limited time, money and man power and you've got the > > solution -- > > > > > > > TM -- primed and ready to get to the world's people... > > > > > > > > > > The NLP was relatively free publicity for TM. It also got > > manypeople > > > off their duffs and working in the real world. Wasn't a bad use > of > > > limited resources in the long run, I think. The New Age > community, > > > for instance, still reveres John Hagelin for running for > President > > of > > > the USA on the Enlightenment Ticket. > > > > > > > Not only do I feel the NLP was a complete waste of TM but it > > whittled away what little credibility the TMO had left. > > > > Look, the NLP being a political party, by definition, had to take > > political and policy stands on the whole range of issues that > affect > > the societies and countries they ran candidates in: health care, > > abortion, gun control, capitalism versus socialism, etc. etc. > > > > Once you take positions on all of those things you are, in effect, > > adopting a philosophy, a way of looking at the world and, indeed, > > putting yourself at opposition to those in other parties that hold > > differing views on those matters. > > > > Being a philosophy violates that basic tenet of TM that it is > > neither a religion or a philosophy. TM is supposed to be for > > everybody: capitalists or communists, Democrats or Republicans, > Left > > or Right. Once you take positions on things, you are bound to piss > > off those that are on the other side of the spectrum from you. > > > > So when you announce to the world that TM is not a philosophy and > > then, after holding onto and practising that tenet for 30 years of > > your existence, abandon it and start BEING a philosophy, people > > notice. And you lose credibility. > > > > That's why the NLP was a horrible disaster for the TMO. They > should > > NEVER have done it, it was wrong, and it was just another nail in > > the coffin of what was once a great movement. > > > > The basic philosophy of the NLP, as presented by John Hagelin, was: > use what works. > > In other words, use the results of scientific research, where > possible, to evaluate what policies might be sensible in the first > place rather than deciding what makes sense on some philosophical > basis like Pure Capitalism vs Pure Communism, or conservative vs > liberal, etc., and then attempt to justify your philosophical beliefs > by cherry-picking what research you look at. > > If you think that this core message, no matter how poorly > implemented, discredits John and company, well tough shit. >
Sorry, Spare Egg, you're wrong. The NLP had a WIDE litany of policy positions on all sorts of things: guns, abortion, health care, taxes, etc. And these weren't positions of "do what works"; they were actual positions on the political spectrum. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
