--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > You above clarified that in your view that "both" points of
> > > reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same.
> > 
> > I don't even know if the former frame of reference
> > is Tropical. 
> 
> Ok, you said before they were both tropical.

Nope, didn't.  You misunderstood what I was talking
about.

> > The thing is that the two frames of
> > reference are different in an entirely different way
> > than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are
> > different.  Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal
> > are two different ways of measuring the same thing;
> > but what you're measuring when you want to know where
> > the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something
> > else entirely.
> 
> OK, in your view,what is it?
> 
> If you can't clearly explain it, it might be becasue your thinking
> is not clear on this topic.

What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up
coming in September 13,000 years hence.  What I'm not
clear on is how to explain your muddle to you so that
you can correct your model.



>  
> > > > You appear to think tropically that "the position of the sun 
from 
> > year
> > > to year at the time of the vernal equinox" is different 
from "the 
> > > day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of 
reference".
> > > You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind,  
that
> > > does not correspond to a distinction in the world.
> > > 
> > > If, tropically, the sun is in aries in "the position of the sun 
from
> > > year to year at the time of the vernal equinox" the sun is also 
in
> > > aries, tropically  in "the  day-to-dproblay position of the sun 
in the
> > > Zodiac frame of reference". 
> > > 
> > > Same observational RP, same calculational RP.
>  
> > Not...that's where your problem lies here,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HAHAHA. Well someones' problem lies in this point.
> 
> See visual example I just posted. Its clearly one frame of 
reference.
>







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