--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > wrote:
> > > The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt 
> > greater
> > > killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near 
impossible in 
> > the
> > > middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think 
that 
> > this
> > > was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable 
problem. As
> > > far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go 
around.
> > > The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to 
> > topple
> > > major economies and political systems thru violence and 
terror. If 
> > you
> > > can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or 
let 
> > him
> > > continue to kill?
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > Dude, drink the Kool-aid!
> > 
> > This story that the US was always planning to foment democracy 
in 
> > the Middle East only surfaced after the Bush crowd was caught 
lying 
> > about the original justification for their mass killing; WMDs.
> > 
> > Not only has the violent external imposition of democracy NEVER 
> > worked before, it's a truly pathetic substitution for coherent 
> > diplomacy, coupled with enforced economic sanctions. 
> > 
> > Without fail, every time the US has meddled underhandedly in the 
> > political affairs of another country, it has backfired on us. As 
it 
> > has now again. I just read the responses of Sens. McCain and 
Biden 
> > on the situation in Iraq. A complete failure.
> > 
> > Your demonizing of the Islamic world is interesting- another 
piece 
> > of revisionist propaganda by the Bush machine. As I said 
earlier, 
> > when you cage people and poke sharp sticks at them, as we have 
done 
> > to Iraq, then when they lash out in anger, it is easy to use 
that as 
> > justification for your initial wrong actions. Police use this 
> > occasionally to justify killing someone. 
> > 
> > There are adherents in the Islamic world who are every bit as 
> > radical as the Christian fundamentalists. Ironically they are 
now 
> > finding fertile ground for violently forwarding their agenda- 
> > something that was not possible before we declared war on them, 
at 
> > least not in a unified way. 
> > 
> > Just as we are now using the violent response to our Sin as 
further 
> > justification to escalate our warring, so are the Islamic 
radicals 
> > using our warring as justification for their continued violent 
> > response against us.
> > 
> > And I totally understand that what the US is doing militarily is 
> > seen as an intelligent response from the standpoint of the 
ignorance 
> > of waking state consciousness. Unfortunately, long term it will 
only 
> > culture further violence against the US, and is doomed to 
failure 
> > and further suffering. Very stupid policy.
> >
> 
> 
> Jim, 
>   I just don't care to go down this road on FFL. Sorry I brought 
it up.
> 
> JohnY
> 
> I've been spitting out the Kool-Aid for years... 
> Possibly ignorant, and in the waking state consciousness... :-) 
> Unfathomable is the course of action -- BG.
> Arjuna, stand up and fight!  -- Lord Krishna
>

I respect that. It is no fun for me to discuss this either. Please 
consider it closed.





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