--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > Second was that however hard I tried to feel bad > > > about the 24/7 realization not being as present as > > > it had been before, after a while I figured out that > > > it really was me *trying to feel bad* about it not > > > being present all the time. I didn't *really* feel > > > bad; quite the opposite. But because by that time > > > I'd had a decade of TM indoctrination about CC > > > being permanent once experienced, I felt that I was > > > supposed to feel bad because it hadn't seemed to > > > turn out that way. > > > > CC in the TM context is by definition permanent, 24/7 > > witnessing, as I understand it, so it wouldn't make > > sense to say "CC is permanent once experienced," nor > > have I ever heard that said. Nor, however, have I > > ever heard anyone say *witnessing* was permanent > > once experienced. > > This all took place before you even started TM. > The dogma today is not necessarily what the dogma > was then. Back then there was a lot of talk about > how you'd just one day experience CC and then it > would be permanent from then on. There was *no* > talk about people having "flashes" of CC; that > showed up much later, after it began to happen.
I believe MMY talks about witnessing (i.e., "flashes" of CC) in his Gita commentary. Anyway, I learned in 1975, apparently after it had begun to happen. You started TM when? > > I've always understood "CC experiences" to mean > > witnessing experiences. > > I don't like the term witnessing, so I won't > comment. I think it's a very loose and misleading > term for a much broader experience. It's shorthand, of course, for a much broader experience. There are a number of different, more detailed descriptions as well. > > It occurs to me that, as far as I'm aware, there isn't > > a term like "witnessing" associated with the other > > "higher states" in MMY's teaching, such that when the > > experience it refers to became permanent, that's God > > consciousness or Unity consciousness or Brahman > > consciousness; "witnessing" seems to be anomalous in > > that regard--perhaps because it's less complicated, > > or less complicated to describe. > > Or because the use of "witnessing" itself is not > just simple, but simplistic. :-) Any shorthand is "simplistic" in that sense, of course. My point was that there are no such convenient shorthand terms that I know of for the states "beyond" CC, such that you could say, for instance, "When X becomes permanent 24/7, one has achieved God- consciouness." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
