--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > Bob B has a point. I remember reading one of Chopra's books and > > > being shocked at how he used not only MMY"s ideas but also MMY's > > > exact phrases. There was not an original thought in the book, and > > > yet nowhere was there any acknowledgement of MMY. I remember seeing > > > somewhere later that he said he did this because, since he and the > > > movement had split, he didn't want to embarrass them by mentioning > > > MMY in his books. But that seemed to me a poor excuse. For me, it > > > was a matter of proper acknowledgement of debts and sources -- what > > > you would expect from any honest writer. Chopra is often > > > described as a "thinker," but it was MMY who supplied him with the > > > thoughts that he later used to become rich and successful. He owes > > > almost everything to MMY, in my opinion. > > > > I'm no Chopra fan, and I agree that he owes his > > success in very large part to MMY. > > > > However, I would be very surprised if the TMO had > > not *asked* him to avoid referring to MMY--if not > > *demanded* that he do so--because they did not want > > him trading on his past association with MMY to > > lend legitimacy to his own teaching. > > > > Chopra may not have any truly original ideas, but he > > has rather sharply departed from MMY's teaching in > > many respects, especially into the kind of New Age > > mood-making that MMY inveighs against (not that there > > isn't mood-making in the TMO, of course, but it's of > > a different sort). > > > > For him to claim that not mentioning MMY was his own > > idea is most likely untrue, but it would be > > unreasonable to expect him to admit it was because the > > TMO didn't want people to think Chopra's teachings had > > MMY's stamp of approval. > > > > So he's kind of between a rock and a hard place on > > this; he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. > > There would have been no successful marketing of Maharishi Ayurved to > the general public without Chopra. MMY specifically recruited Chopra > to supply the theoretical underpinings and medical creditials > necessary to market M-ayurved. It's clear from most the tapes > involving MMY and Chopra discussing ayurved that Chopra is the one > coming up with the theoretical knowledge and the marketing catch > phrases that people would relate to. Chopra's books and seminars were > hugely successful in the US. In fact for yrs they were about the only > thing bringing people into the centers to learn TM and into the > clinics to do panchakarma. Who else in the mov't had the > intelligence, medical credentials, and communications skills to reach > real people like that?? MMY? Averbach and Rothenstein?? No way, > they could reach Ffld sidhas, but not the average Joe. > > To me you're hopelessly biased if you think Chopra was not a very > original thinker and the MMY-Chopra relationship mutually > beneficial.
I think you may have misread what I was saying. I was *defending* him in the post you're responding to. Bit of a knee-jerk there, perhaps? > Just how well are initiations and M-ayurved clinic visits going in > the US since Chopra left the movt? Yeah all the original thinkers > left in the mov't are doing a bang up job of accomplishing things > aren't they? > > And what more could have been accomplished? Chopra was successfully > putting together a high powered group of influential people to promote > consciousness-based solutions in both medicine and other fields - > admission to this group required a net worth of $100 million or being > nationally elected politician. Chopra led retreat-seminars with them > periodically. I knew people in DC in this group. No-one else in the > movt had the ability to attract this caliber of individual. Chopra > wouldn't allow Bevan to come speak to this group about getting Hagelin > elected president in 1992 (for obvious reasons) and that was the > beginning of the end for Chopra and the mov't. > > Now tmers bash Chopra as an unethical hack when he actually did more > for the mov't than bevan and all his cronies put together. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
