--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > > > > But you're welcome to it if it floats your boat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I guess there is simply no choice.
> > > > 
> > > > See? That's where we differ. I have a choice.  :-)
> > > 
> > > No, the situation is the same for us both, just you think 
about 
> it
> > > differently.
> >
> > +++  You stand in the rain-you get wet-problem
> >      You don't stand in the rain, you dont, no problem.
> >      Your choice, your problem.   N.
> 
> I tend to agree. For me, it's about making the 
> choice to come in out of the rain. 
> 
> As I read what trinity is saying, he doesn't 
> believe that he has that choice. Someone or
> something else makes it for him.
> 
> So if I stand in the rain and get wet, it's 
> the result of my choice. I take responsibility 
> for my wetness and having caused it.
> 
> It he stands in the rain and gets wet, it's 
> because the universe wanted it that way.  :-)
>
oh what the hell...this is the classic argument of identification, 
often misintepreted in terms of practical action. 

Coming in out of the rain is always a good idea, whether or not we 
IDENTIFY as our limited bodies, egos, minds, thoughts, or whether we 
completely surrender to Brahman.

Can we say that an experiential identification with Brahman is a 
more evolved state than to identify with our small self as the 
ultimate doer?

Yes, but very, very carefully. 

Identification with Brahman is a state of evolution, becuase we work 
to achieve it, and it does take considerable work... Just as we 
evolve in a sense through school, or our careers, or any endeavor.

This IS NOT to say that identification with Brahman is BETTER than 
any other state.

My 2 cents- have a great weekend everybody!





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