--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > I have thought for some time now that you are angry and hostile > > towards the TMO. Perhaps I am wrong. OTOH, your perception of how the > > TMO treats Chopra as anger and envy seems to be projection on your > > part since the TMO simply doesn't talk about Chopra any more than he > > talks about them. > > > **** > When Chopra left the TMO, I felt the reaction from the movement's part > to be disgusting. What I heard at that time was of course second hand > information, except my witnessing the TM-teacher's odd and ridiculous > behaviour in not talking about Chopra and if talking the tone was VERY > negative. > At that time I felt Chopra behaved admirably, by continuing to give > credit to MMY in his books and not saying a negative word about the > TMO. But it was then.
It takes months and years to clear books off of shelves and out of warehouses. Chopra's attitude towards TM showed up immediately. You didn't see it in the bookstores until later because thepublisher still had boxes of inventory to clear. I think Chopra feels nowadays the same way as I > do. I avoid to mention about my TM background, as the TMO has become > so extreme cultist and odd. > I don't remember exactly what kind of information I heard at the time > of Chopra's departure, except some dirty lawsuits initiated by the > TMO. I have never heard of any lawsuits directed against chopra. Has anyone else? It was a shock to me to observe how low level in moral > functioning and reasoning MMY and the TMO had regressed to. As a > result I stopped all my involvement with the movement for many years. > > Later I participated again on some weekend seminars, but I didn't feel > quite comfortable. There were too many odd, even scary features in the > movement. I tried to start a discussion on the problems I perceived on > a Finnish chat group for TM-meditators. I expected an honest > discussion, but never managed to create it. These people actually > couldn't discuss with me. They just got very defensive, and started to > throw dirty, low level insults on me, which is not too uncommon trait > in some people here at FFL either. Luckily they banned me from the group. > I have been unusually tolerant, all my other meditating friends had > left the movement for good long ago for the same reasons I felt > uncomfortable about. I don't expect people or organizations to be > perfect, but I expect them to accept participating in a dialogue, and > accept discussion and also answering difficult questions and claims. > > At that time I was angry, not anymore. I'm more just intellectually > intrigued to follow the different phases and carryings-on of a cult, > in which I have been involved in its earlier phases. I have learned a > lot, which can be of practical use elsewhere also. > I have participated to discussions of the crisis of the Muslim world, > and the understanding gained through FFL has been really helpful. > > I felt practically all the time I was involved annoyed about MMY's way > of leading his movement. But I appreciated a lot of the Vedic > philosophy he, and his co-workers, brought out. The philosophy I have > mainly felt to be fine. But not MMY's fundamentalist approach to it, > neither his way of managing the movement. > > Irmeli > You've browsed the CHopra website and approve of what you find there? Interesting... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
