> I can't speak for Trinity, Yes you can. Thank you, you put it much better than I ever did.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > why -- if you truly > > believe that the universe runs everything > > > I have not followed all of this thread -- so I may not have seen this > "quote" but its my impression that this is a false simplification of > Trinity's view. > > Regardless, you appear to be setting up a false dichotomy: either a) > "I run everything (in my life)" or b) the universe is micro managed > and 'someone' runs it all. > > Neither fits my experience -- and the view stemming from it: > Each component of the world is both reactive and learning. On the > level of human action, senses work according to their inherent nature. > Mind reacts to sensory input reacts according to its inherent nature. > Mind reacts to memories and "habits" according to its inherent nature. > Memories and "habits" unfold according to their inherent natures. The > intellect churns away and analyzes what the mind brings it, > distinguishing this from that, and assessing "value". > > There is no "I" doing all of this. There is no "I" necessary to turn > on the "eye" and guides the retina and inner cones and all, directing > resulting electrical impulses to the brain, operating the brains > functioning, etc. It simply happens. According to the nature of the > eye and brain. > > There is no "I" that directs my heart to beat. There is no "I" that > structures thoughts and has them appear in my mind. Thoughts HAPPEN! > (My god man,weren't you every properly checked?! :) ) > > The intellect, senses, heart, memory, mind all do their thing. It > seems the height of comedy if not theivery to claim, "I did it" -- > whether in creating the eye and directing its inner funcioning, making > thoughts appear, making the intellect work etc. > > If you REALLY think that YOU are the thinker of thoughts, then turn it > off. Suspend all thoughts RIGHT NOW. If you can't, how can you claim > to be the force behind their creation? > > Many "get" all this regarding thoughts. "Yes, you are right, thoughts > happen. But "I" make the decisions around here." (As many husbands are > deluded into thinking.) Its a more subtle thing, but the intellect > also "happens". It has its skills and "nature". It does its thing > without any help from a guiding "I". But by its nature, it can seem > like it is an "I", an independent decider. Because it appears to be > able to choose this or that, a deep sense of "I" and "doer" arises. > > But ever ask a group of kids if they want some cake? There is no > "real" choice. (I once saw SSRS point this out once, in a real life > situation of kids running for cake. It was hilarious. And so true.) > > A big breathtrough occurs,in my experience, when the intellect figures > out that it is NOT the "I", not the doer, not an independent decider. > > When it figures out that it is NOT the "I", and it is not what remains > when no "I", no director,no doer, is found. As many point out, the > intellect cannot understand "effulgence" / "unboundedness", but it can > effectively point out what is NOT that. Neti Neti. When it realizes > --per its own nature -- that it is neither the "I", nor "purusha" aka > "unboudnedness", it wakes up into adulthood. > > > and that > > no one in it is really "doing" anything -- you keep > > suggesting that I change my behavior and/or my > > beliefs? > > I can't speak for Trinity, (but from what I have read of his posts, he > appears to be saying the same thing as above, perhaps with minor > variations). There is nothing inconsistent with the above > "apparatus" (senses, mind,memory, intellect) all working according to > their inherent natures, without any guidance from a "I", "director" or > "doer" -- promoting change in the world, in others, and in themselves. > > The apparatus is not only reactive, it is highly adaptive and a > "learning machine". Children absorb everything around them and learn > how to "funcion" quite naturally. Its their nature to learn. That > learning nature never ceases. The apparatus gets feedback from all > quarters. The intellect determines what feedback is useful (per its > nature --which may be limited at the moment). It adopts "useful" things. > > Trinity and any number of things are part of your feedback mechanisms. > They, the whole universe for that matter, provide you constant > feedback - according to their natures. According to the nature of your > apparatus, you constantly utilize or reject the myriad of feedback you > receive. > > No "DOER" in any of this: Events happen. Sensory experience happen. > Thoughts happen. Feedback happens. Intellect making distinctions and > weighing "value" happens. > > Where is the "I". Where is the paradox or contradiction? > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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