> > > > > > > I would maintain that those who don't think TM is
> > > > > > > effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I would maintain they are not familiar with real 
> effortless  
> > > > > > meditation and simply enjoying their easy meditation 
> method, 
> > > > > > that's all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or perhaps you never learned TM. There are plenty of 
people 
> > > > > who 
> > > > > went through the TM course who never learned TM, 
apparently.
> > > > 
> > > > Bingo.
> > > 
> > > Ah, the elitism argument. If anyone has a 
> > > different understanding of what Maharishi 
> > > said than I do, that's their problem. They 
> > > just didn't learn properly like I did.  :-)
> > 
> > Which is even funnier when you consider
> > that the two people claiming to "know" what
> > Maharishi "really" teaches are not teachers 
> > and, as far as I know, have never either met 
> > him or even been in the same room with him.  
> > But they learned "properly" when those who
> > have spent years around Maharishi didn't.
> > Fascinating, eh?  :-)
> 
> Nobody, of course, is claiming here to "know what
> MMY really teaches."  That isn't what's involved.
> 
> > Hint: they're just parroting dogma, when
> > Maharishi himself occasionally admits that
> > the dogma is bullshit.
> 
> No, actually in this case we're talking about
> our personal experience.
> 
> However, when "what MMY really teaches" is being
> discussed--i.e., the intellectual teaching--Barry
> almost invariably gets it wrong.  And I mean
> *patently* wrong, factually wrong.  So having
> been a TM teacher or having been the same room with
> MMY for years is no guarantee of accuracy.
> 
> Barry's not the only one, of course; we've had loads
> of 'em on alt.m.t.  But he's a particularly egregious
> example.

Have you ever considered just setting up a 'bot
to post "Barry is bad" to FFL periodically?  It
would save you a lot of repetitious effort.  :-)








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