Perhaps so -- and if so, who knows how many different ways what you
have said (below) could be reconciled with what Nisargadatta said or
if that makes any difference; both ways of understanding the monkey
(and bear) armies of the Ramayana speak to different ways of
interpreting the narrative.  The Puranas and Itihasa speak on so many
different levels of analysis.  I'd forgotten about the celestial
nature of the different monkey players.  Thank you.

But isn't Hanuman the *son* of Vayu, rather than an incarnation of
him?  I'm under the belief that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva --
a "part-" incarnation.  Again, I'm sure there's evidence of both in
the literature.

Thanks again.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>    Please Note, the Vanarahs of Monkeys are incarnations of Devas. 
Vali was the incarnation of indra the king of the Devas.  Hanuman
incarnation of Vayu and so on.
>    
>      Ravana got a boon from Shiva that no celestial could kill him.
 So the Devas incarnated themselves as Monkeys to assist Vishnu who
incarnated as Rama.  Note that these were not ordinary animals.  They
were intellectual and supernatural beings.
>    
>   
> Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:20:15 -0000
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras
> 
>    
>     Another take on Westerners seeking Indian wisdom was expressed
more than once by Nisargadatta in the following way.  He said that the
> Westerners had been soldiers in Lord Rama's monkey army; and that as
> their reward in assisting Rama in rescuing Sita they were reincarnated
> in the West where they could easily indulge their monkey desires --
lots of food, sex, and fighting.  He said, however, that when the
monkeys begin to tire of their reward, they come back to India in
search of Rama.  
> 
>   Nisargadatta said on more than one occassion that he preferred to
> speak with Westerners rather than with Indians because the Westerners
> were more sincere.
> 
> 
> 
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