--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid > > > > > > > meditation > > > > > > > session, or so your "good luck with that" response > suggests. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a > > > > > > valid > > > > > > meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What > that > > > > > > will > > > > > > actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long > enough-- > > > > > > which > > > > > > actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this > > > > > > technique. > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. > > > > > That does *not* mean that I didn't "learn TM properly," > > > > > merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice > > > > > have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to > > > > > me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is > > > > > taught in the TM organization. > > > > > > > > sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value > > > > judgements to one set of experiences over another, > > > > you're no longer practicing TM. > > > > > > Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) > > > > > > But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to > > > driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the > > > speed limits imposed by the French govenment are > > > about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely > > > assign a value judgement to that belief. I value > > > driving faster more than I value driving at a rate > > > I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that > > > doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted > > > speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior > > > saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise > > > spend on speeding fines. > > > > > > You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign > > > a value judgement to my belief about what the > > > proper speed limit should be and prefer one way > > > of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE > > > other than to drive faster than that. > > > > > > Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... > > > > > > > But TM helps the mind to stop working so hard. You're addicted to > > having the mind work all the time, obviously... > > TM is to transcend thought; Mindfullness occurs in TM when one > transcends, and becomes mindful of the self. > Mindfulness is there the whole time with continued practice: it's > there during both the inward and ourward stroke of meditation; when > thinking the mantra, or when noticing you're off on a thought and > coming back to the mantra; or noticing that your just quietly settled > in the mindfull state of transcendental consciousness, of no- > mantra/no thought. > The whole point of meditation is to get beyond thought. > > If one is to become familiar with the infinite, then what does one > focus on? > What object can the mind focus on to become infinite? > The mind focuses on the mantra, and then let's go. > When one let's go completely then awareness arives at the infinite. >
That may be what happens (or not) but its not the "point" of TM practice. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
