Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Vedic Cognition (was Re: a Spiritual Master?)

[Vaj]

On Mar 29, 2006, at 11:45 PM, yhvhworld wrote: ---  >Thanks for posting this(below) excellent discourse!  What he says is apparently true in regard to what may come "later" - after the primal sounds and so forth. OTOH, Buddhism is no less "Dharmic" than Saivite Hinduism, but the Buddhist Masters cognize their own Scriptures.  MMY seems to equate "Vedic" with "good" (if it's not Vedic, then it isn't worth a hill of beans).  All Buddhist teachers would disagree with this. In addition, cognizing the Vedas only goes so far, since IMO all of mathematics could be regarded as "Vedic", but MMY doesn't know much about math. (evidently, mathematics is in MMY's "later" category); AS WELL AS (and this is important!): the ability to cognize the FUTURE. Otherwise, if MMY could predict the future, he would no doubt use this ability to become a commodities market wizard, making all of the billions he so ravishly desires. To conclude, "cognizing the Vedas" isn't valued at all in Buddhism; or perhaps the definition of the Vedas needs to be expanded to incorporate Buddhist texts and pure Platonic knowledge like mathematics. How about the broadest definition possible: Cognizing anything true. Or simply experiencing "speech" at the level of pashyanti, the-speech-which-sees. We all have that capacity, whether we actualize it is another thing. I like what Danielou says on an expanded use of the word "Veda". He hits the nail right on the head: "The Sacred Books As we have seen, writing is an urban phenomenon, characteristic of the Kali Yuga. To freeze the teachings of "prophets" in books regarded as sacred is to paralyze the spirit of research; it fixes so-called established truths and tends to create blind faith instead of the search for knowledge. The nature of knowledge is to evolve. Like other aspects of the human being, it knows periods of progress and decline. The teaching of the Rishi(s) is a living thing that enables the species to realize its role at various stages of its evolution. It can only be transmitted by initiation through qualified individuals. The fixation in Writings of the visions and perceptions of Seers, which represent the forms of knowledge necessary at a certain moment of the evolution of the species, whether it be a matter of cosmological, scientific, religious, or moral ideas, presents grave risks. The sacred book valid for all time and all people is a fiction. The new Sâmkhya sometimes replaces the word Agama (tradition) by the word Veda (from the root vid, knowledge) to represent permanent information (akshara), the plan that is at the basis of all aspects of creation, the object of all research, all science, all metaphysics, all true knowledge. Taken in this sense, the word Vedä has nothing to do with the religious texts known by this name. The notion of Vedä represents the belief in a universal law, the object of knowledge. This implies the acceptance of the idea that there exists divine order of the world of which it is possible to have a fragmentary glimpse, an "approach" (upanishad), even though this order remains on the whole unknowable. No one can pretend to possess the "truth" in any domain. A dogmatic teaching can be neither scientifically nor philosophically nor morally justifiable.     The advent of writing has allowed for the substitution of conceptions of religious or social reformers, in the guise of inspired prophets, for the teachings of the Seers. This has oven birth to the religions of the book that characterize the Kali Yuga.     The superstition of the written word is an obstacle to the development of knowledge in the domain of scientific or religious information. The religions of the book have been one of the most effective instruments of man's decadence during the course of the Kali Yuga and have been used by urban oligarchies, both religious and secular, as instruments of domination.     To take texts, whether called Vedä, Bible, or Koran, as an _expression_ of reality or of divine will is puerile and dangerous. This is part of the antireligion which lowers the concept of the divine to the human scale." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.