--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff 
<no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about 
> > claiming
> > > > > enlightenment:
> > > > >
> > > > > People may say "liar" and be turned off to TM because they 
> > believe you
> > > > > are lying.
> > > > >
> > > > > People may look at you and say "Who wants to be like that?" 
and 
> > stop
> > > > > meditating because they think everyone must behave exactly 
the 
> > same
> > > > > when they're enlightened.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > People may look at you and say "I want to be like that" and 
try 
> > to
> > > > > behave like you rather than wanting to be themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From the TMO's perspective, its a no-win situation to have 
> > people
> > > > > claiming enlightenment "in the wild." Now, in anonymous 
> > laboratory
> > > > > conditions, where people are being examined for 
physiological
> > > > > correlates of their claims, this doesn't apply, at least in 
my 
> > mind  
> > > > > and
> > > > > theminds of the researchers.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And this official response is quoted where? A recent press 
> > release?  
> > > > Dome announcement?
> > > 
> > > In 39 years (OMG) I have never heard these points cited as 
official
> > > policy in the movement. They sound more like some local teacher
> > > putting together some advanced lecture points -- based on his
> > > conjecture and logic, not official TMO statements.
> > >
> > 
> > Huh. I recall (I thought) hearing it over and over again in the 
70's 
> > but maybe I'm misremembering...
> 
> Or maybe it was after I left full time teaching in the late 70's.
>

I heard it I thought first time in the early/mid-70's, but its been 
30+ years.






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