On Apr 23, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Dharma Mitra wrote:

>
> So very right, Nelson, the proof is in the experiencing of it, and 
> in our realm, in the world of yoga/tantra, it's all 98% experience, 
> 2% theory.  All too often supposed 'scientists' are so extroversive 
> that they search for evidence solely in the material world for 
> paradigms that are better witnessed, or even solely witnessable 
> subjectively.  Materially, there seems to continue to be no 
> evidence of a mind.  Who'd've thunk it!?

Exactly--and most of the intact traditions will have inner signposts, 
all entirely subjective but nonetheless personally verifiable--and 
teachers who are able to act as guides for this inner landscape.

However when you want to *sell* something, it becomes important to 
have some sort of carrot to persuade--and in that persuasion 
scientific materialism can be used to foster and promote spiritual 
materialism. The TMO probably represents the greatest form of this 
style of scientific and spiritual materialism in the history of 
meditation. Was it a failed or successful experiment? I guess we all 
decide for ourselves--and people's feet.


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