On May 24, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Vaj wrote:
> > Well first a quick list of attributes that MMY has at times
> associated
> > with CC over the years. Some may not have heard him say all of these
> > (and some of those were never around him so, that makes sense.) This
> > is off the top of my head. I am sure there are more.
> >
> > 1) Consciousness aware it Itself 24/7.
> >
> > 2) Strong experiences don't stick ("Stick through air")
Yes this is a biggy, and interestingly somewhat observable to and of
others.
> >
> > 3) Clear "witnessing" during deep sleep.
And development of different styles of "witness-consciousness".
> >
> > 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence
> >
> > 5) Full use of our Mental Potential (the other 90%)
> >
> > 6) Perfect health
> >
> > 7) Ideal social behavior
> >
> > 8) Beyond illusion
> >
> > 9) All seeds of ignorance are roasted
Yes, this is actually a well commented on verse in the YS of
Patanjali and it highlights the importance of a certain style of
samadhi for "roasting" samskaras and dissolving the kleshas. Samadhi
is the smashan (the burning ground).
> >
> > 10) All action in tune with the laws of nature,
> >
> > 11) All action is life-supporting7
> >
> > 12) At home with all "Knowlege"
> >
> > 13) 24-hour bliss
> >
> > 14) No anger, fear etc.
> >
> > 15) Beyond reincarnation
> >
> > 16) Much refined breath
Interestingly, also measurable.
> >
> > 17) Clear Ritam experiences
How would you define this. What would be a test for "perfect ritam"?
> >
> > 18) Clear and consistent siddhis experiences
This IME here on this list is a subject that scares some people, but
it's well known e.g. the yogic saying 'Mahamudra siddhi
(enlightenment) is always accompanied by mundane siddhi, but not the
reverse.'
> >
> > It seems that "many" may somewhat include 1-3 on their lists of
> > attributes when they refer to CC, "awakening", "enlightenment", but
> > even there, there appear to be disagreements and or apparent
> > disconnects.
> >
> > Starting with 4 and beyond, there is disagreement. Dr.Pete for
> > example, claims CC but refutes that there is any physiology basis to
> > it. (Corrections to POV welcomed.) Others don't seem eager to have
> > their enlightened physiologies tested.
Interesting the TMO is now offering "enlightenment score cards".
> >
> > 5-14 are disputed. And there "appears" to be at time some
> disconnects
> > between these attributes and claimants speech, actions, and views.
> >
> > 17 and 18 are highly disputed by some.
Indeed.
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