---To JIM and other Fairfield "Lifers" (funny - when I was in the Army in 1968 the term "Lifer" was the most derogatory name one could think of). At any rate, in answer to your question, Jim, as to where Vaj got such weird notions, his source is his Guru, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu. I have his recent book in which Norbu discusses these same topics (not mentioning TM specifically, but rather silent sitting meditation, which he calls "dualist".). OTOH Norbu's techniques are equally if not more dualist on the surface, for example: he promotes the Song of Vajra, sung or listened to while the aspirant is dancing on a mandala. Norbu claims to have received this as a "terma" (secret knowledge transmitted from bygone Sages). What Norbu overlooks is the physiological component to Enlightenment. Basically, when the body attains a state of restful alertness, it gets closer to Unity. We can turn the tables on Vaj. Norbu's Vajra song and dance disallows the body/mind from diving deeper into a physiological state conducive toward Transcendence. Don't get me wrong. Norbu is one of my Gurus. I'm a Buddhist, but he has NOTHING that can compare to TM!. I will be quoting selected passages from the works of Norbu. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > >> Because we should realize and make the connection that > *dualistic > > >> methods lead to dualistic states of consciousness* (e.g. the > > >> witnessing artifact, which is an artifact of a dualistic > > >> meditation method). > > > > > You are absolutely right. However both the dualistic nature of this > meditation [TM] and the witnessing artifact are indicators of the > state of consciousness of the practitioner at an intermediate stage > of the practice, vs. the solely dualistic nature of TM. > > TM is initially and necessarily experienced as meditation of a > dualistic nature because its practice subjects the active mind to > its silent source. As the practice matures, the active mind and > silent source exist simultaneously, dissolving the dualistic nature > of both the experience and the meditation. > > Did you hear that TM is a dualistic meditation from someone? If so, > I'd be curious to know who. >
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