> >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the > >>> case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, not the TMO. > >>> > >> > >> > >> Well that's only partly the case. The fact is, in the Patanjali oral > >> and written tradition, which does still exist, it's stated that there > >> are actually *two* sutras for true "flying"/hovering--and in the TM- > >> Sidhi formulae you are only given *one*. In addition, there are other > >> practices and techniques that must be mastered. One is bringing a > >> certain form of prana into the head/skull. Unfortunately this is the > >> same prana that underlies thought processes. Screw this technique up > >> and you go, well, insane. > >> > >> This has all been verified by other TM-Sidhi practitioners from the > >> successor of Tat Whale Baba, who also indicated the other missing > >> elements in the TM-Sidhi program. They are very significant IMO. > >> > >> The hopping artifact is well known in yogic literature as the > >> bhuchari siddhi--the siddhi of hopping like a frog. It happens when > >> prana kundalini is stimulated at the level of the root (muladhara) > >> chakra....It can be achieved by mere pranayama. It's no big deal. > >> > >> But it *is* a big sell, or used to be. > >> > >> > > > > Heh. Yogananda claims that levitation itself can be obtained by > > "mere pranayama." MMY > > claims that "mere pranayama" can bring one to enlightenment. > > > > What's so mere about it? > > Can you provide quotes for both? The yogic tradition is pretty clear > on what pranayama should do for us: it clears out the nadis. The > fourth pranayama--which may be what you're referring to is essential > for both the development of siddhis and samadhi a la Patanjali-- but > this is not generally what people mean when they use the word > "pranayama". > > You sure yogananda wasn't referring to kriya-yoga rather than just > pranayama?
There is a powerful pranayama, which I learded a while back, from someone who claimed, that this most powerful form of pranayama, was not traditionally taught by Yogananda, because of it's effect of increasing the Kundalini, which is not good when you are attempting to be celibate. It is called Babaji's Kriya Kundalini Prananyam; and comes from the same tradition, mentioned in 'Autobiography of a Yogi', Yogananda's tradition. Kriya, I believe has to do with enlivening the 'Kriya's' or like when you feel in the 'flying sutra' ; shaking, or other intense energies. So, I myself, think that the ability to actually levitate, would require some very intense 'Kriyas', or intense energies of Kundalini; So, you could experience 'Kriyas', during any experience which you feel a surge of engery, or Kundalini rising. This can be accomplished in many ways. Group meditation is a very powerful way to increase the intensity, or everyone's experience; Which is why Maharishi has concentrated so much of the effect, on group participation. These days, though, it's really hard to get a group together, of any magnatude; I always wondered what it would be like, if TM had the numbers meditating together; Even a small fraction of the numbers of persons belonging to one of the world's religions: The billions of people around the world, and throughout time, have created the ignorant world we live in. With all of thier prayers and dogmas, what have any of they accomplished? besides nice buildings and some nice books? We still live in a world filled with violence, so what good, if any good have all of these religions had on the world; Seems to me, much of the time, the religions have created more bad than good, more violence, than peace. How hard it is to get a group together; Can you imagine the effect of a really large group? These other major groups who have basically produced nothing to change the world.... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
