Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)

[Vaj]

On Aug 6, 2006, at 12:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:01 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: One of the first indications that all was not cool in the  Emerald   City was when I was still flying and a chiropractor took my back X- rays after I had thrown my back out.  He said " So how long have you  been jogging?"  I explained to him how I was practicing flying and he explained to me the implications on my vertebrae by sitting in  full lotus and bouncing on my butt, even on foam.  He showed me how  that posture  actually takes you butt cheeks away from protecting  the   spine during flying so that I was  compressing my discs. It was very visible, my bottom discs were compressed like a marathon  runners.  He tried to explain the implications of my behavior but, of  course, I   was too enlightened for his advise at the time.  I don't know if  discs   can recover from such a stress but my back is great these days from  all the core training workouts I do so I can't assess if I  sustained any long term damage.  What was interesting for me was that I saw my compressed discs at the time and still continued to practice  flying until I got out of the mindset that I was doing cosmic good for myself.  I remember the sickening feeling that perhaps MMY and  his crew did not understand the implications of his program on  people's backs and I might have set myself up for a very painful old age. Exactly my experience too. Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and  using   people as guinea pigs. In traditional yogic flying, Huh? There's a Yogic Flying Tradition???? One that goes back before 1976 and the TMO? Sure, I understand there was yogic flying in the caves and the rare  monastery in India probably always...and back in the Vedic period  thousands of years ago...but there was an on-going Yogic Flying  Tradition in India? Please tell me more about it... Not much I can say. There's extant traditions in the anuttara tantras.  Have you ever heard of Udhilipa? His tradition continues. As do others. THE SIDDHA UDHILIPA THE Flying Siddha "Following after wandering thought is madness; Resisting that tendency habitual karma is restrained. Abiding nowhere, mind is centered; Nothing is to be found by seeking elsewhere." By virtue of his previous generosity, an aristocrat of Devikotta possessed a vast fortune. In the luxury of his palace he enjoy every pleasure that his imagination could conjure. Gazing from window one day, he watched five-colored clouds forming various animal shapes, and continuing to look he saw a swan and fly across the sky. "What a joy it would be to fly!" he thought himself, and he became obsessed with the idea. When the Guru Kanaripa came to his palace to beg alms, he offered him the food he could provide and then entreated the yogin to teach him fly. He made prostration to him and offered him the price of the teaching. Karnaripa gave him initiation into the Catuspitha-mahayogini-tantra and told him to visit the Twenty-four Great Power Places collect the twenty-four panaceas of the twenty-four Dakinis recite the mantras of the Dãkinis ten thousand times each. The pilgrim accomplished that task, and then he went back Karnaripa and asked him how to prepare the elixir. "First place the panaceas in a copper pot, then in a silver pot and finally in a golden pot. Then you will be able to fly," the yogin told him. After twelve years the elixir was perfected, and through his arduous preparation he could fly through the sky. He became know as Udhilipa, The Flying Siddha.  After proclaiming his realization bodily attained the Dakini's Paradise. Sãdhana We cannot be sure whether Udhilipa was given an esoteric interpretation of Karnaripa's precepts. He may have criss-crossed India in an extended pilgrimage, and as a method of maturing the mind-stream such a kriyayoga practice is incomparably effective, but anuttarayoga-tantra purists would despise such a course, insisting on a hathayoga interpretation. The Catuspitha-mahayogini-tantra, a sahajayãna text, treats the four power places (catuspitha) as the four upper cakras, naming the atmapitha, parapitha, yogapitha and guhyapitha. The twenty-four pithas) are the minor junctions or cakras in the Body of Samvara (Heruka). Each of the eight spokes of the heart cakra, which carry the materializing energies of the five elements and the five sense objects, divided into three--red, white and blue--channels, connecting the heart center with the twenty-four pithas. The twenty-four pithas ha are divided into three mandalas of eight each, mai lalas of Body. Speech and Mind. >From each of the twenty-four cakras, three channels diverge, each of those seventy-two channels dividing into a thousand capillary channels; thus the twenty-four internal power places are control boxes for the entire psycho-organism. At the essence of each of the twenty-four cakras is a red and white seed, which is the cakra's panacea, and each cakra is represented by a Dakini or yogini who may be propitiated by her mantra and her panacea thereby obtained. "Gathering the panaceas" through recitation of mantra is a process of purification of body, speech and mind, and an identification with the absolute reality of being in its separate parts. "Pouring the panaceas" from copper to silver to golden pot is to transform the mandalas of body, speech and mind into the nirmanakaya sambhogakaya and dharmakaya. With attainment of the dharmakaya not only can a yogin fly and perform the eight great siddhis, but he has also attained mahãmudra-siddhi.337 Historiography The external references of the four principal power places according to the Hevajra-tantra are Jalandhara (North), Oddiyana (West), Purnagiri (South), and Kamarupa (East) (see p. 278 for locations of the entire twenty-four pithasthanas). Udhilipa with its root uddiya, "flying," or "soaring," has been corrupted in many ways (for example, Otili, Odhali, Udheli, and Udhari). To the Tibetans Udhili is The Flier (Phur pa). If Karnaripa (18) is Nagajuna's disciple, Udhilipa lived in the ninth century but if he is Goraksha[nath]'s disciple, known also as Vairagi, and certain elements of the legend, particularly the hatha-yoga terminology and concepts, not least the siddhi of flying, indicates nãth associations then Udhilipa will have been alive in the eleventh century and will be found in nãth lineages. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___