FWD:your email re:dome. To Jeanne, I want to acknowledge you for your courage and honesty. Among many bright lights in Fairfield, you are dazzling! I hope this resolves itself in a way that suits you. Somewhere in the morass of it all, as we(collectively) keep looking, the TRUTH will become very obvious, even to those who cling to dogma out of love, devotion and some lingering "ignorance". Keep up the good work! all love,
--- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >FWd: > 2nd Letter > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Dear John, > > I am writing to you again just in case you have not had a chance to > read my first letter, dated August 2, 2006, regarding my dome > rejection. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ACCEPTED FOR THE DOME!!!!!!! > > I honestly expressed "My Highest Truth" in that letter and I would > truly appreciate a response, any response, especially whether you > received it or not, and what Maharishi wants me to do. PLEASE READ MY > FIRST LETTER TO MAHARISHI. > > I know most people working for Maharishi may be afraid to let him > know what some of his governors have done to get in the dome, but I > know you have INTEGRITY and will tell him the truth. Those governors > who do not know Maharishi's intentions about them visiting other > saints or using other self improvement techniques, should be told by > Maharishi on the daily phone calls to the course, what he really > expects, regarding this very important issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Just because they were not asked if they do other things, many > governors have justified that it's o.k with Maharishi, and that they > would not be in the dome unless he wanted them there. They feel those > who are not there, somehow could be, if "THEY REALLY WANTED IT." > Everyone has to start being accountable for their actions, including > the "MOVEMENT REPRESENTASTIVES!" > > I feel that "THE RULES OF DOME ACCEPTANCE SHOULD APPY TO > EVERYONE!!!!!" A "few" should not be rejected if "the many" are > doing > the same things........ Everyone should be asked the same > questions... > whether they visit the saints! Not just those who are on some > "administrative black list." This is just common sense. This is also > how many people, that I have talked to, feel avout it. > > Someone actually said to me the other night: "Why do want to spoil > it > for the rest of us? Why didn't you just keep quiet." So many people > visit saints in India or other cities around the U.S. and the world. > I > guess they feel that if they don't do it in Fairfield then it's o.k. > "No one will catch me," seems to be the theme. > > PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG I do not feel that visiting the saints is > in ANY WAY WRONG... To the contrary it is A GREAT GIFT to those who > have the grace to receive it. I feel anyone who wishes to visit the > saints should be encouraged to do so. As it is stated in the VEDAS > "KEEP THE COMPANY OF THE SAINTS." > > A lot of people over the years have felt "THE MOVEMENT > REPRESENTATIVES" have lied to them. They somehoe feel that Maharishi > doesn't say the things they hear from course officials. MAHARISHI > PLEASE ADDRESS THIS POINT!!!!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR IT FROM YOU > WHAT YOU REALLY EXPECT!!!!! > > My first letter to you has somehow made it on the internet on the > "Fairfield Life" site. I hope in some way this is helpful to others > who have also not compromised their integrity, just to get their > "Dome Badge". > > John, I would like to be accepted for the dome, having told the > "TRUTH" about my life. I could have very easily lied when I was > questioned but I chose to be completely "HONEST and NOT HIDE ANYTHING > ABOUT MY SPIRITUAL LIFE". > > Please respond to me, > Shiva Ma > > > > First Letter from ShivaMa: > > > > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection" > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you > > think > > may benefit from it. > > All Love, > > Shiva Ma > > > > My Dome rejection > > > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin > > > > Aug 2 (5 days ago) > > > > Dear John, > > I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at > the > > dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one > of > > the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share > > this > > letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" > about > > what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have > written > > in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and > as "TRUTHFUL" > > as > > I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may > > benefit EVERYONE! > > > > When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time > to > > be > > processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance, > > because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any > > techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT > saint > > from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man > questioning > > me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that > > what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the > question > > to > > over 600 people that I initiated, back in the > seventies: "Everything > > we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer > > seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not > > accepted then for the dome. > > > > This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and > > brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I > should > > apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE! > > Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I > > was > > told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be > > forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have > > never > > considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. > I > > have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the > > last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each > > ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT > and > > ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the > > past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became > > inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course > in > > 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He > > started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the years, I > > have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints > > that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT > > BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life > > forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of > > these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have > > been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and > > Goddess's. > > > > I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always > > remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will > be > > in > > HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and over > > again > > throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI! I LOVE YOU SO > > MUCH..... > > > > At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me on > the > > phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course. > > However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do, to > get > > my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my HEART. > I > > have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to help me > > with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if: "I > SEVERED > > any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any > > techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER > establish > > a > > connection with them again or practice any other techniques other > > than > > Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in > > writing, > > promising that I would do this. For GOD'S SAKE, How in the name of > > WHOLENESS! ONENESS! DIVINITY! and SELF REALIZATION! could I promise > > that???????? My SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT.... > > I could have lied and said anything that Jeff wanted to hear, got > my > > badge, and no one would have known. THAT IS NOT ME, THAT IS NOT > HOW I > > REPRESENT TRUTH AND DIVINITY. I DO NOT, AND I WILL NOT, EVER LIE to > > achieve a small gain in the present, who would I be lying to???? > ONLY > > MY SELF!!!!!!!! > > > > When Jeff was explaing to me how Maharishi said that one should not > > cross the river in two boats, it causes confusion. I told him: "I > AM > > NO LONGER IN THE BOAT, I AM ON THE ISLAND!!!! I AM ENJOYING THE > GOAL. > > I PARKED MY BOAT ON THE SIDE OF THE SHORE, MANY YEARS AGO, AND > LEFT > > IT > > THERE!" There are other people in Fairfield in the same place that > I > > AM. We are not nor could we ever again "BE CONFUSED" We are SELF > > REFERRAL NOW!!! No mistakes CAN be made. I LISTEN TO MY GOD SELF > > ALWAYS... My OWN INNER VOICE SPEAKS TO ME ALWAYS!!! I AM not > > MAHARISHI or MOVEMENT REFERRAL anymore. The same SELF that is in > ALL > > BEINGS, IN THE ONENESS OF ALL BEINGS, IN THAT SELF LUMINOUS SELF, > > THAT > > IS WHERE I RESISDE! > > > > The reason we have been asked to come together now in the DOME is > the > > urgency of the World situation. It is because of a war about > > "RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, that we are being asked to assemble." It > seems > > so sad to me that in our Own TM Movement we are "fighting amonst > > ourselves," We are lying to each other. By not allowing each > > expression of Divinity to be "TRUE TO ITSELF" We have directly > > encouraged each other to "LIE" rather than stand up for what we > > believe in. When I started TM in 1971 I was told I would not have > to > > give up my Religion or my beliefs or change my life in any way, > just > > meditate twice a day. Please do not tell me, that now after all > these > > years that was "JUST A LIE" I became a Governor to help create a > > better world, "A HEAVEN ON EARTH" Unless the policies at the dome > > are > > changed immediately to "EMBRACE" the life-styles and choices > > of "ALL" > > of it's members, we are just promoting "A LIE." How could we > possibly > > "HELP" the world if we cannot even "HELP" OUR "SELVES". > > > > I felt responsible to let you know how many people have lied to get > > into the dome. Many peolple, in conversations at Revelations and > > local > > restaurants have laughed about how they got away with something, > > about > > how clever they were, that they fooled the Movement, making a joke > > about the whole thing. This has DEEPLY saddened me. Because no one > > asked them about the saints they have been visiting for years, > they > > of > > course did not volunteer that information, knowing they would be > > "BANNED" if they did. One of them actually said to me; "My life > and > > what I do is nobody's business, not the Movement's, not > Maharishi's. > > I > > do what I want to do and I will continue to do whatever I want to > do. > > I will lie through my teeth if I have to, it's none of anyone's > > business, what I do! And I have NO GUILT about it!" > > > > John, I just want you to know that many, if not most of the people > > who > > also visit the saints that come to Fairfield, got their dome > badges. > > Believe me I know them all, because I help host the saints and I > > helped set up the local Hindu Temple at 800 west Burlington { the > old > > Tropicana Center} Over the years we have hosted many saints and > have > > held numerous yagnyas. I always try to graciously make the > different > > saints stay in Fairfield "WONDERFUL!" It seems to be my job to do > > this, as I always find myself at the feet of each of them. I have > > bowed to the feet of each BEAUTIFUL expression of DIVINITY!!! The > > same feet that I first bowed to in MAHARISHI, I BOW TO ALL > BEINGS... > > Yet in all BEINGS " I BOW" to LORD SHIVA ONLY!!! He is expressed > in > > so many different DIVINE FORMS!!!!! Incarnations of Gods and > > Goddesses alike... > > > > All of the saints that visit Fairfield are so FULL of PRAISE and > > GRATITUDE to MAHARISHI for the incredible HEAVENLY PLACE HE HAS > > CREATED HERE!!!! They ALL with no exception credit HIM with A" HUGE > > TRANSFORMATION FOR THE WORLD" THEY ALL LOVE FAIRFIELD!!! They all > > give > > gratitude to HIM, for the atmosphere here. > > The majority of people who got their dome badges were not asked the > > incredibly difficult questions I was asked, so they did not have to > > lie face to face to someone, so they seem to feel justified that > they > > are in some ridiculous way to me, not lying to anyone, but I feel > > they are lying to themselves. That to me is the "GREATEST SIN OF > ALL" > > Also that they are not being honest to MAHARISHI!!! hurts my > heart. > > I > > feel they are betraying what they believe in, and how they choose > to > > live their lives, "WHEN NO ONE IS WATCHING." They are not honoring > > the GRACE and BLESSINGS they have been given from so many BEAUTIFUL > > ENLIGHTENED BEINGS. What an insult to those saints, what an insult > to > > Maharishi to misrepresent themselves, just because they didn't "GET > > CAUGHT," Just becauce they were not put through this test, they can > > justify this betrayal. They are too scared or intimidated to > stand > > up > > for what they believe in, they are so worried about being exposed, > > about losing their "precious Dome Badge" Yet they are truly only > > "FOOLING THEMSELVES." GOD BLESS THEM ALL TO REALIZE THIS FOOLISH > > MISTAKE! > > > > I hope this letter was heartfelt, And that you read it in > > non-judgement and that you receive some guidance from Maharishi > how > > to > > handle this situation. > > I have a few suggestions for You: > > 1. Give a DOME BADGE to > > whomsoever asks for one... > > All Siddhas should > > be "WELCOME". > > > > 2. Require only this: that > while > > one is in the DOME, > > they only do the > prescribed > > DOME PROGRAM... > > > > 3. That everyone's personal > > choices regarding > > Spiritual Matters remain > > their own and are > > TOTALLY > > RESPECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The choices made > > should not interfere with > > anyone's "Dome Acceptance" > > > > > > 4. That a soul's choice of a > > "Personal Guru" is not > > forced upon them...That > > they can love and respect > > Maharishi and do his > > programs, and yet have their > > own "Personal Guru". > > > > 5. That The MOVEMENT is BIG > > ENOUGH TO > > EMBRACE ALL SAINTS AS ONE > > EXPRESSION OF > > THE SAME > > DIVINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ALL GLORY TO GURU DEV AND ALL GLORY TO DIVINITY IN ALL BEINGS!!! > > ALL GLORY TO ALL THE MOVEMENTS DEDICATED TO DIVINITY > > With MY DEEPEST LOVE FOR ALL EXPRESSIONS OF DIVINITY > > > > Shiva Ma Ryan > > {formerly Jeanne Lynn Ryan or {Jeanne Ryan Borden- {married name} > > > > > > >"dhamiltony2k5" > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the > > >numbers, > > > > >what > > > > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, > > >what > > > > >could > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the > > > TMorg > > > > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, > > > >that > > > > people must `sever all connection with other saints to > > > > participate'. That people sever all other spiritual practices > > >of > > > > other saints and that people never reestablish a connection > with > > > > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints. That > > > > people must put this all in writing to join. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanne "ShivaMa' wrote a terrific letter to MMY through Hagelin' > > > contact. It was a good letter which in the end asked these > > >things: > > > 1)Give a Dome Badge to Whomsoever asks for one 2. Require only > > > this: that while one is in the Dome, they only do the prescribed > > > Dome Program 3 That everyone's personal choices regarding > > > Spiritual Matters remain their own and are totally respected. > 4. > > > That a soul's choice of a "Personal Guru" is not forced upon > > >them . > > > 5 That the Movement (Tmorg) is big enough to embrace all saints > as > > > one expression of the same divinity. > > > > > > It is a good letter that is comprehensive of the problem. I > will > > > try to get a whole digital version from Jeanne Shivama for > general > > > reading. In a way, she was the perfect person for all of > > >Fairfield > > > to go through the application process and smoke it out. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > The personal interpretation of the administration (Jeff Cohen) > > is > > > > that "M feels disappointed and that it is a betrayal of > > everything > > > > he has given people", that it was never a guideline that "all > > sins > > > > are forgiven" or to "forgive and forget" about people seeing > > other > > > > spiritual saints. "But that from this moment the guidelines > > hold". > > > > > > > > > > > > With the Tmorg, that regardless as MMY was saying when > > > > asked, `forgive and forget' or the notion that "all sins are > > > > forgiven" got about, that these are not the guidelines for > doing > > > the > > > > group meditation program with the TMorg. "From this moment on > > the > > > > guidelines hold" as Jeff Cohen directly explained to Jeannie > > Ryan > > > > who they accuse of being an Ammachi devotee. An irony if you > > knew > > > > Jeannie is that she is not a `devotee' of Ammachi. > Regardless, > > > > Jeannie was denied acceptance and entry to the dome group > > > meditation > > > > on campus on these terms and interpretation. That is the > status > > > > quo. It was a sad day in FF. > > > > > > > > JGD, > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Word on the street > > > > > > > > > Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in > > their > > > > positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to > > their > > > > ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the > > saints > > > > and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with > > or > > > > see > > > > the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group > > > > > meditations. > > > > > > > > > > "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy > to > > > > have > > > > > people come in to register. > > > > > > > > > > For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting > > > vetted > > > > > this week for registration for the dome meditation program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn > communities > > > to > > > > > help moderate peace between people, one of the first things > > they > > > > try > > > > > to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There > > are > > > > > other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The > > > Tmorg > > > > > is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month > (July > > > > 06), > > > > > > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. > The > > > > > > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM > > meditating > > > > > > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out > of > > > the > > > > > > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave > > > darshan > > > > > to > > > > > > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were > > > Fairfudlian > > > > TM > > > > > > people and their families. Then there was the next day > and > > > > night > > > > > > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. > > > > > > > > > > > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people > > > `coming > > > > > > out' this year with so many TM people now having been > > > generally > > > > > `de- > > > > > > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff > being > > > `let > > > > > go' > > > > > > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the > > community > > > > > > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. > > > > > > > > > > > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the > > > > TMOrg. > > > > > > > > > > > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the > > > > numbers, > > > > > > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, > > what > > > > could > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the > > > TMorg > > > > be > > > > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" > > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even > be > > > > that > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both > > > Maharishi's > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it > is. > > > > 27,000 > > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > > > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the > > > US, > > > > > with > > > > > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens > of > > > > > > thousands > > > > > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up > > > when > > > > > > > called. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, > to > > > > > > reconcile > > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent > years, > > > what > > > > > > could > > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for > the > > > > TMorg > > > > > > be > > > > > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" > > > > <jyouells@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > > <babajii_99@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" > > > > > > <jyouells@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > <salsunshine@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other > > stuff. > > > > And > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > > > as how > > > > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how > > > likely > > > > is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd > even > > be > > > > > that > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open > about > > > it? > > > > > Why > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always > > > > > superior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', > in > > > > India? > > > > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only > > ask... > > > > > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such > > > > controlling; > > > > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > > > > > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both > > > > Maharishi's > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it > > is. > > > > > 27,000 > > > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's > > actually > > > > > more > > > > > > > than I > > > > > > > > expected.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > .. > > .,,FFL > > > FFL August '06 > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
