--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to 
overcome 
> them--ha, ha.
> 
> I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed 
you'd 
> feel, and that is still why I continue the practice.  The concept 
of 
> "enlightenment," whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as 
to be 
> meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a  place in my 
world 
> view  and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. 






...and what's really great about this point of view of Sal's is that 
if the concept of enlightenment actually does exist, she will get 
there just as fast as the TBer who does believe in the concept 
(actually, she'll probably get there faster than the TBer who in 
most cases doesn't practise the TM Program).






(Not 
> to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I 
find 
> most discussions of it kind of boring.  But others obviously 
don't, so 
> discuss away! :) )
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote:
> 
> > Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which 
we
> > do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS 
that
> > tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or 
meditation
> > or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to
> > enlightment.
> >
> > So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation 
and
> > give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one 
reach
> > true enlightment.
>







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