--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> <Irmeli.Mattsson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > > >
> 
> > > > From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF
> > > CONSCIOUSNESS, 
> > > > complete with physiological styles of functioning.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their
> > > enlightened  brainwave pattern, when  they get old and senile, and
> > > hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's
> > > brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's
> > > behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating
> > > brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his
> > > respectably high age).
> > > 
> > > Irmeli
> > >
> > 
> > Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just
> because you get old, and 
> > MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask
> if people lose the 
> > ability to sleep or dream just because they got old?
> >
> 
> People don't lose their ability to dream, but many other functions
> deteriorate with aging. People get more sleep disturbances, they have
> more difficult to keep their balance, when moving. Balance keeping is
> a demanding function of coordination in the  brain. Mental problems
> increase with aging often in the form of irrational fears and mild
> paranoia. If you asked a pathologist, he would definitely claim that
> there is clear age related deterioration happening in the brain, even
> if there may appear new structures also.
> I see a certain kind of deterioration in myself even if I'm only 55. I
> tend to forget names more easily  now. I also have to put my
> appointments and many tasks on calendar to be sure to remember them on
> time. When younger I remembered all my appointments easily without any
> calendar. But I can see improvement also in some other areas.
> 
> MMY's very weird behaviour and his many irrational claims and
> stumbling in his speaking I have considered to be a result from weaker
> brain functioning that is very common in people of his age. I don't
> claim his behaviour to be a result of a massive stroke.

Without a massive stroke, I see no reason to assume he's become unenlightened 
due to 
age, and I'm not sure that even that would do it. States of consciousness (and 
I suspect 
that at least CC and certainly TC, qualify as unqiue states of consciousness) 
are pretty 
hard to get rid of.

89 year old (90?) enlightened sages may be a little forgetful and irritable, 
but they're still 
enlightened sages, I think.





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