--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many > have > > > come > > > > > to > > > > > > Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of > > India > > > to > > > > > > comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in > the > > > end > > > > a > > > > > > personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final > > > illumination. > > > > > MMY is > > > > > > NOT a personal guru! > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for > every > > > Tom, > > > > > Dick > > > > > > and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the > knowledge > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > available, however, this knowledge will only be given to > > those > > > > who > > > > > > apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a > personal > > > > guru > > > > > > comes in. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is > much > > > yet > > > > > to be > > > > > > revealed! IMHO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM > technique > > to > > > > > unfold 100% of mental potential? > > > > > > > > I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be > > > > necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well > > > known > > > > Saints....had Gurus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know. > > > > > > But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. > > > > > > That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if > they > > > feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal > > > guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is > not > > > enough. > > > > > > But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of > the > > > very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them > that > > > they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. > > > > > > Quit a little conundrum... > > > > A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed > this > > out. > > > > I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a > > somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, > IF, > > the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing > the > > individual from the guru. > > > > But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further > > dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. > The > > guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in > the > > direction of more and more*. > > > > Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase > > dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! > There's > > an interesting "pointing out" instruction in one of Ken Wilber's > > books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post > it. > > > > Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient > (look > > how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the > > guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he > > thinks you need (which is another way of saying "as easy for > Mahesh > > to take what he wants from you"). But with KW's pointing out > > instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher > learning > > more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and > having > > little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not > > get anything if you don't try to buy it all. > > > > Thanks Shemp. > > > > > I may be pollyanna-ish about this but I truly am convinced that TM > is all that is needed...AND I believe it's the fastest most > effective way to enlightenment. And let me reiterate: I am referring > to that first technique we all got for $35.00 back in '73 when we > had long hair and bell bottoms. > > Me -- a snot-nosed 18-year-old into every vice available to his > immature materialistic-infested life -- shelled out 35 Canadian > bucks and the cost of 6 flowers, two fruit, and a goddamn hanky and > a month later I experienced pure consciousness...something that > millions of yogis and assorted saddhu types spend lifetimes and > paperweights dangling from their penises trying to achieve. > > And I got it without any effort and the price of, at the time, about > 5 medium pepperoni pizzas. > > All the rest of the current TMO offerings is fluff and money- > making...stuff that's probably necessary if you're running a multi- > national operation but has nothing to do with transcending OR the TM > Program. > > And MMY can, ethically, always fall back on the disclaimer he gave > us all in the first 5 minutes of the first step of the 7-step > program to learning TM: it's not a religion or a philosophy...it's a > do-it-yourself program that doesn't require belief or any other > additions. > > Anyone that deviates from that A-in-AGNI-like first utterance of > official declaration by the TMO can't blame anyone when they > discover they've wasted thousands of dollars and thousands of hours > rubbing sesame oil on their bald heads and getting Jyotish advice > from some dhoti-wearing, amoeba-dysenteric Dravidian who Maharishi > hired off the streets of some God-forsaken Indian ghetto. > > Suckers! I told you in the first five minutes that you didn't need > any of that other shit! Did you think I was lying?
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