--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > snip > > > Guru > > > Dev came out from his mountain cave to restore proper meditation, > > the > > > centerpiece of Vedic culture, and those pundits and others who are > > > practicing TM will be operating from a level of consciousness > > where > > > activity, whether it is ordinary or doing the yagyas, will be > > > effective because the actors have expanded their awareness, not > > made > > > themselves even duller with ineffective and boring meditation > > > techniques. >
This was bob brigante's post I believe, not mine. > There's no evidence that Guru Dev promoted some new proper meditation > to restore vedic civilization, in fact the evidence is to the > contrary, no one in guru dev's ashram report learning TM or some such > new meditation from him. TM is something MMY came up with long after > guru dev was gone, so guru dev should be left out of this particular > debate. > > The theory that religious rituals are more meaningful or effective if > the practitioner is in a heightened state of awareness makes sense, > though I might phrase it differently to emphasize devotion instead, > but I would take issue with the assertion that learning TM > automatically gives a person expanded awareness that enables them to > send global transforming rays throughout the universe - we have lots > of 30+ yrs meditators in this town as evidence to the contrary. Agreed- the universe has to be receptive to the intent of the meditators for the rays to work. Maharishi discusses this in SBAL as I recall- the acceptance of the environment. The > vast vast majority of 30+ yr meditators don't have success with the > sutras so why would new meditators be experts at yagyas. It has to do with the destiny of the earth being transformed. Things are possible now that weren't possible before. We don't live in a vacuum you know. There is an intimate relationship of the earth to the rest of the universe. The correspondence of the earth to the rest of the Milky Way galaxy. Hard nosed facts. > > My main pt on this issue though is really just an emotional reaction > to the emerging groupthing here that all our individual problems and > even kali yuga itself are on the way out because of some pundit boys > moving to the US Who believes that? Sounds like trash- there continues to be no such thing as a free lunch. -- people can believe in their vedic civilization > revival if they want but I bet many of them have spent much of their > lives in similar games of magical thinking and denial. I agree. Playthings of the ego. Rediculous notions of self- importance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
