Yeah, I don't get the yantra/kila corespondence. That's like saying the kila
is like the mandala. It's just an impliment representative in Buddhism of
Vajrapani in general, and other deities besides. As for Vedic and Dravidian
practices not many of them survive in detail for popular perusal. Not all
Vedic shakas still survive and most of the lost lineages are those related to
the Yajurs and Atharvans which would be more likely to use a kila than their
Rik, and Sam counterparts. Okay ciao.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secret practices of the Maharishi's Himalayas
On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Yes, I was referring to it's use in Bon tantric practices
which pre-date the introduction of Tantric Buddhism to
Tibeto-Himalaya. The original phurbas--called "kilas"...
I wonder if that's actually "kiila":
Probably not - the pre-Buddhist inhabitants of Tibet didn't speak
Sanskrit or any common Indian prakrit. Bon religionists probably spoke
a dialect of Mongol or Chinese before the arrival of Padmasambhava.
The big difference is that the Bon cult used the magic dagger for
mundane purposes while the Buddhist tantrics used it as an
iconographic symbol for transcending and acoomplishment (siddhi).
We were actually talking of it's Sanskrit name, as per Vedic praxis, and thus
the name "kila". Kila's are described for Vedic use in the Artha Shastras,
which show the usage in Vedic Natural Law. They were important sacrificial
tools.
The Kila is NOT used for transcending (nor for that matter is a yantra), it
is used for "kilana", "nailing" or subjugation of negativity and the clearing
of sacred space. In other words, in it's Buddhist usage it is used for creating
peace (not sacrifices like with Vedic Sacrificial "Science").
In Vedic use it was often smeared with feces and/or urine and used to destroy
enemies.
