--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" > > <peterklutz@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > How would you describe the quality of the Karma visited > upon > > > Jesus > > > > > > Christ as he was nailed to the cross?>> > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ is a story, nothing more. > > > > > He never existed in the time or place that you christians > > > > > think. And even if he was nailed to the cross, if he was > > > > > an Avatar, then no doubt (as he himself says in the story), > > > > > that it was liberating. Only an ignorant man thinks being > > > > > nailed to a cross is bad karma. For the enlightened, > > > > > everything is a good laugh. > > > > > > > > Eh, neither of you has a clue about the Christian > > > > story here. Jesus was a sinless being, a perfect > > > > sacrifice, who willingly gave his life on the cross > > > > *for our sins*, took them upon himself so that we > > > > might be reconciled with God. It's called > > > > Substitutionary Atonement. Ordinary human beans > > > > can never be good enough by our own efforts to be > > > > acceptable in God's sight, but if we accept Jesus' > > > > sacrifice in our name, we are assured of God's > > > > unconditional forgiveness and eternal life. > > > > > > > > (St. Paul dreamed this up, incidentally, well after > > > > the fact; it wasn't Jesus' idea.)>> > > > > > > Eh, are you spoofing here? I assume so. > > > Jesus is a story, no historical proof, right? > > > > No "proof," but most scholars accept that there > > was a person called Jesus who stirred things up > > back then (although some disagree). >> > > No, historians will tell you there is no proof for such a person.
Please reread the first two words of what you quote. I do believe they say, "No proof," do they not? <snip> > There is WAY more evidence for the mish-mash of myths to create the > final Jesus story that came down, than there is for any actual > person such as the one that is told in the Bible myth. You seem to have read what I wrote extremely selectively, and carefully deleted this, which immediately followed what you did quote: "Whether he was who he is said to have been is an entirely different question, of course." Respond to what I wrote, please, rather than to a straw man of your own devising. You have > been duped by the mass of pseudo-scholar religious types, who may > have a lot of study, but start from a position of bias, wether they > are catholic, protestant, or born-again "scholars". Uh, no, I'm not talking about them. And I have no stake in any of it, historical, mythological, or theological (other than that I think Paul's Substitutionary Atonement formulation is psychologically ingenious, but that's another kettle of fish). None of this is the point anyway. The point is that your discussion with Peter Klutz about Jesus and karma was quite remarkably ignorant of the most basic Christian theology. But I guess that's what your straw man was designed to divert attention from.
