On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:50 AM, authfriend wrote:

> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Seems to me that trashers and trashees are limited equally.
>
> Yes, but there are far fewer of the "trashees"--

As far as that goes, seems to me OW usually gave as good as he got. As 
far as I can recall, so far with the new system only he and Willytex 
have been the only ones to request that certain others be banned--both 
pro-TM, if you want to look at it that way.

> especially now since three of them have left--

They're all adults, left of their own volition and can come back 
whenever they want.

> and they haven't been the ones to initiate the
> trashing.

Of course not.

> Consider: If five trashers spend one post each
> attacking a trashee, if the trashee wants to
> respond, it will take all five of the trashee's
> allotted posts for the day to do so, but the
> trashers each have four posts left. The trashers
> know this.

That's absolutely correct, Judy--kudos for figuring out the vast 
anti-TM conspiracy that Vaj, Barry, Lurk, Kurt and Dr, Pete were going 
to use.  They were really hoping to get away with it, but you 
outsmarted them. :)

> The posting limit, in other words, neatly hands
> the advantage to the trashers.

As it should, of course. :)

>  If either wants
>> to waste their quota on bickering, at least the other
>> will know that it will end soon. I'm hoping people will
>> say, hey, I've only got X posts left, and I'd rather
>> talk about something more interesting than so-and-so's
>> latest dig. After all, are there really any new points
>> to make in attacking or defending one another?
>
> This is all very rational, Rick, but it just isn't the
> way most people operate.  (And I strongly suspect your
> perspective would be a bit different if you had been
> the target of dishonest and wildly unfair trashing day
> in, day out, for years.)

As the moderator of this very contenious forum, I'd guess Rick has.

>
> If you *want* TM critics to be able to freely trash
> TM supporters, and *want* the TM supporters not to
> be able to respond, the posting limit is just the
> ticket.

Which is of course the idea, Rick was just hoping nobody would notice, 
since *everyone* who comes here divides the world into pro and anti-TM 
groups.  I mean, is there really any other way to see things? :)

> If you want, on the other hand, to stop the trashing
> and the constant ill feeling and ugly atmosphere it
> generates, the thing to do is sanction the trashers.

I think that involves being content cop, which is sure to generate even 
more contentiousness.

> If the trashing is stopped, or at least seriously
> reduced, that will *automatically* reduce the overall
> number of posts, without any posting limit required.

Judy, just out of curiosity, have there been any attacks on you in the 
last few days?  If so, I must have missed them.

> As I've said before, in terms of the effects you say
> you want, you've gone about this exactly backwards.
> You've let this trashing go on for so long, it's going
> to take some effort on your part now to stop it; the
> posting limit is just a Band-Aid, and a pretty
> ineffective one at that.  (It also inhibits substantive
> discussion and spontaneity. Sometimes offhand remarks
> can generate the most interesting discussions. Posting
> limits forestall that kind of serendipity.)

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