---Thanks....Sutphen wants proof that remedial measures (Yagyas, etc, work...) excellent question! Start with chanting first. Do this taste test, as in Coke vs Pepsi.: First, memorize the Gayatri mantra and after a few weeks of gaining proficiency in this, practice japa - 2 rounds per day on a mala. Then compare the circumstances of your life in a month non chanting the mantra. You will notice benefits in terms of greater efficiency, creativity, etc. Next, progress to a greater level of remedial efforts by sponsoring Pujas at http://www.Saranam.com Then compare the circumstances of your life to a period in which you don't sponsor the pujas. Do the above experiments 108 times and keep a log of the results; then report back to me. If you don't at least TRY some of the methods, you won't be able to have any sense of their effectiveness. Looking at the history of Hinduism, you will learn that remedial efforts and various "magical" practices designed to mitigate the forces of nature came long before the silent meditative practices. The Upanishads - describing in a certain poetic/metaphorical manner - the nature of nondual Reality, came long after the magical practices. Patanjali is a latecomer. Besides, who sets up the rule saying one must follow Patanjali?. I'm into "magic": - creating certain cause and effect influences in the environment. (this is in addition to my regular practice of TM). The very oldest verses of the Vedas are magic-oriented; not monist philosophical treatises. The magical world existed for thousands of years before Shankara came along, and thousands of years in Tibet before the advent of Buddhism.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter > > <drpetersutphen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> --- jim_flanegin <jflanegi@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter > > >>> <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Ha! Who gives a flying f*** what their birth > > time > > >>>> > > >>> is? > > >>> > > >>>> What great difference does it make in one's > > life? > > >>>> > > >>> Just > > >>> > > >>>> live your life. Just another aspect of yogi > > >>>> > > >>> bondage to > > >>> > > >>>> be terrified about. "Oh no! Did I breath out of > > >>>> > > >>> time > > >>> > > >>>> with my jyotish?" > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> uh-oh! what direction were you facing when you > > said > > >>> that?! > > >>> > > >> Must have been south! But seriously, will someone > > >> please tell me in no uncertain terms exactly what > > the > > >> value of jyotish is, not in theory, but in actual > > >> practice? The most impressive thing I ever saw in > > >> jyotish is when Charlie Heath predicted a car > > accident > > >> I got into about a month after his prediction. > > But, > > >> his prediction didn't allow me to stop the > > accident, > > >> so what good was it? > > >> > > >> > > > Predicting accidents obviously has no value, > > unless you know the > > > exact timing and can stay at home. What makes > > Maharishi Jyotish > > > unique is that it can "prevent the dangers that > > have not yet come" by > > > using precious stones and yagyas. > > BS, remedial measures such as gems and yagyas are > > NOT unique to > > Maharishi Jyotish. Those as well as other remedial > > measures such as > > simple charitable acts have been commonly used for > > centuries by > > astrologers to prevent catastrophic events and > > improve the person's > > situation. Anytime the movement tells you they have > > something unique > > hold on to your wallet. > > And how do precious stones and yagyas "avert the > danger that has not yet arisen" (by the way this is a > complete and total distortion of Patanjali. He states > that the danger is the identification of the seer with > the seen-avidya, not some relative discomfort.) Forget > the theory. Show me some empirical proof that a yagya > does something? Show me that a gem does something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
