--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with most of what yuou said, much of it is almost a truism. > However what you wrote has little or nothing to do with what I have > written on NTs. You have either misunderstood (or more accurately I > may have poorly articulated) what I said, or you have set up, perhaps > unconsciously, some strawmen and then had a good run at knocking each > of them down.
What I wrote really had nothing to do with what you wrote, it was just me taking off on my own trip. Your points were tight, I was just winging it! All the stuff you wrote on human performance fits perfectly with my goals of life too. Your points on chemically enhanced states were right on. I hope all of us are waking up pitching a tent in the morning. That's how I know it is time to start my day in fulfillment! > > "a perfect state of mind at all times" > > "[not] getting uncomfortable as a feedback for our progress towards > our goals" > > "Perfect fulfillment" > > "a state of mental fulfillment" > > "peak experiences" > > are all [strawmen, IMO] terms you used, none of which I used in my > discussion of NT's mor anyone else as far as I remember. > > I used terms like "optimized NT and R (receptor) functioning. Thats > akin, parallel to, being in very good physical shape, a high degree of > physical fitness. The body is functioning not only well but strongly. > > Carrying the analogy further, physical endurance, strengh and agility > are at high / optimal levels. Does such an athelete sit back and > snooze saying "I am at a state of physical fulfillment so let me now > be a couch potato"? Of course not. Such an athelete is NOW ready for a > high level of performance in many sports and life itself. In fact, > his/her conditionis is REQUIRED for a high level of applied > perfromance in their sports of chioce. > > In a parallel fashion, optimized NT/R functioning provides the > platform for really dymanic activity, pursuit of goals, and > achievements -- for oneself and one's society. Why you think someone > in top mental/emotional/physical/energy/mood/cognitive ability fitness > would think "ah I am fulfilled let me sit back and do nothing" is > well, puzzling if not mind boggling. > > I saw several amma videos last night so she is on my mind. (more on my > heart, but I am using colloquial english). I would hypotheze that her > body and NS are flooded with serotonin an possibly endorphins -- at > much higher levels than "average". If so, does /would such stop her > from spending every waking hours helping others? > > Or take vascular enhancing drugs. You maky be shocked, shocked! at > this, but some guys in their 20's who wake up in a huge tent every > morning and walk around work half the time with a banana in their > pocket, so to speak, still try to get and use vascular enhancers to > get EVEN better performance. Yet regardless of age, if one uses such > vascular enhancers, do they go "well I have now achieved penile > fulfillment, let me now snooze or do macramae? F**k no!. They are NOW > ready for peak perfomance. Over and over and over again. "All night > long" as Lional Richtie sang. > > There are a few drugs that do give fulfillment, mimicing what the body > does after hard work. And use and reliance of such bypass measures, on > a sustained basis is probably not so good. Opiates, alcohol and > marijuana being three examaple that can do this at times, but > certainly not all the time or universally. The image (not the > universal reality) of heroin users is an example of this, immediate > pleasure and left being topped over with a silly grin doing nothing. > This is the situation in some cases, but many opiate users are quite > productive including writers, -- Cooleridge was prolific under the > influence -- as well as artists and musicians. > > I was prescibed some opiate containing meds after some dental work. I > took it several times. I was so energized, and clear headed, I was > amazed. Nothing dulling about the experience. Its like the lights went > on physically and mentally. Long term regular use has severe > drawbacks. But if the population were prescibed 4 tablets every 3 > months, the world would be a better place, IMO > > Similar with marijuana. My friends who use such, as do many yogis and > sadhus in India (Shiva is the God of Ganga and depicted as a regular > user for God's sake), make the clear distinction between the major > strains: Indica and Sativa. The Indicas are the couch-lock stuff. > Happy but too stoned to move. The sativas are the get up and dance, > click your heels, lets go take a long walk in the woods, I wanna > write/draw clean the house, run, etc kind of stuff. But popular > culture has mythified the latter as the typical stoner. > > Similar with alcohol. Couch potato six-packers are a common "myth" of > the popular psych. And certainly heavy drinking can be dulling. And > while I am not a drinker per se, if I am dull and tired, a small glass > of wine perks me right up and gives me focus. I get why writers > have often been associated with the bottle. > > And when I say "drugs", i an referring to NT/R balancing / optimizing > drugs. I am afraid that you and others may be "hearing" opiates and > marijuana, and buying into the half-truths even about this limited > array of NTs. When I say drugs, I am referring to literally 100's of > variuos NT/R drugs and 1000's yet to be designed (or found naturally > in herbs and minerals). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > fulfilling my goals in life. I love the ride. It has ups and downs, > > pain and pleasure, and I feel alive in each turn of the road. I would > > never give up the grief I felt from the death of a loved one for any > > state of heightened awareness. There is no state of mind that would > > have helped or contributed anything of value to that perfect state of > > pain. I didn't need to witness it from a cosmic perspective, I needed > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > Just a riff off of the neuro transmitter discussion. Is fulfillment > > without achievement a worthy goal? It is an assumption in MMY's > > system that it would be a good thing to have complete fulfillment > > established without any reference to achievement. Now I view this > > goal as more similar than different to people who take a lot of drugs. > > In the people I know, only severe addicts want to be in a perfect > > state of mind at all times. Most of us are comfortable getting > > uncomfortable as a feedback for our progress towards our goals. > > Perfect fulfillment sounds like death to me. I think that the whole > > goal of achieving a state of mental fulfillment without achievement is > > misguided. It is OK for a temporary state, especially to enhance > > social interactions (recreational use anyone?), but the people I know > > who feel compelled to live in such states all the time end up doing > > macramé, or living on Purusha, IMO. > > > > I spent a lot of my youth pursuing fulfillment without achievement in > > various forms. These days I enjoy getting my peak experiences from > > fulfilling my goals in life. I love the ride. It has ups and downs, > > pain and pleasure, and I feel alive in each turn of the road. I would > > never give up the grief I felt from the death of a loved one for any > > state of heightened awareness. There is no state of mind that would > > have helped or contributed anything of value to that perfect state of > > pain. I didn't need to witness it from a cosmic perspective, I needed > > to surrender to the exquisite flip side of loving a mortal person, the > > ass kicking that time delivers. > > > > This may have nothing to do with anyone here pursuing higher states of > > consciousness. I just can no longer imagine a state of mind better > > than the one I am riding right now. I have lost a desire to improve > > my awareness. It has been replaced with so many versions of things > > that I want to improve in my life and even about myself. I am > > interested in becoming more aware of things, but I feel like my > > awareness itself is doing fine, it just gets distracted sometimes. To > > misquote a great song: "I've got 99 problems but awareness ain't one!" > > > > So how are others relating to expansion of awareness as a goal, and > > fulfillment without achievement as a worthy state? > > >
