The greatest and weirdest paradox for me is in dealing with the idea that everything is Pure Consciousness or Brahman. In that case, we can't say, it's my ignorance that's keeping me from realizing this since this too is Brahman, the ignorance, the process of moving out of it, getting into ignorance in the first place...all Brahman. Now if we start to obssess on this, we go crazy in the infinite regress of I AM Brahman. In order to get there, we have to reach the end of infinite regress and just BE. At that point, there is no explanation, no paradox and no suffering, since suffering is in trying to figure it out in the first place.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <claudiouk@> > wrote: > > > > > > A lot of good points have been made about ways of handling > suffering > > > eg Marek's concerning putting the attention away from suffering, > on > > > attention itself - hence manage to transcend suffering; or by > > > embracing suffering/demons eg Rory or Jim. I can see the wisdom > in > > > all this. Am also impressed with some of the reported > experiences. > > > > > > Raging against the clouds will not make the sun shine back any > > > sooner. In the end we seem to have to do the rope trick in > reverse - > > > pretend the snake is just a rope. > > > > Or pretend that the rope is really a snarling snake. > > > > > > > Become more immune to it at any > > > rate. For instance raging anger needs to subside into > indifference or > > > equanimity, in order for us to transcend duality. > > > > Go deep into the tunnel of anger and sadness and the light at the > end > > of it is not indifference. > > > > > > > > > This is where a > > > leap of faith is required, at least before enlightenment - that > this > > > is not just wishful thinking, that goodness can and will > overcome > > > evil in the end. > > > > The premise in all of this is that suffering is the natural state, > the > > core of it all. > > > > Maybe evil has only temporarily overtaken goodness -- the core. > > > > > However my focus was on the dynamics of Unity giving RISE to > creation > > > as discussed in recent webcast conferences - the rope/snake > comment > > > by MMY, the risposte by Hagelin concerning different > perspectives of > > > his Unity equations. And the inherent "covering" of ignorance > and > > > forgetfulness MMY noted between silence and dynamism. > > > > > > So on the one hand we have the view of creation arising from the > > > precise, sequential unfoldment of the Laws of Nature reputedly > > > working "without problems" - excuse me, what about suffering, > was my > > > question. Where is the unifiedfield chart connecting physics > with > > > moral philosophy, karma etc? And what evidence is there in > nature of > > > moral values anyway? > > > > Maybe you / we see suffering everywhere because we are in a > localized > > "hell" and the vaster realm of things is more towards heaven -- the > > happiness/suffering ration approaching larger numbers > > > Suffering as I see it comes about when we don't deal effectively > with the challenge before us. If that challenge was a strong karma > from the past that has us literally on a railroad track as a > quadraplegic and a train coming at us at 80 miles an hour, well, > adios muchacho, nothing to be done in that case. However, in less > extreme situations, it is a matter of developing hard won skills, > perspective, Being, so that either our surroundings arrange > themselves so that we are not confronted by the most difficult set > of circumstances from which to extricate ourselves, or, if faced > with a challenging situation or period of life, we know enough and > have enough tools at our disposal to find a way out, without either > making the situation worse, or causing greater and/or additional > problems for ourselves later on. > > The point being that suffering will naturally happen to us as part > of our life Dharma, if we do not yet have the tools, capacity or > skills to avoid it. It is a natural result of the way the world is > set up for us to grow and learn at the maximum rate. It is literally > how we learn to keep our balance and learn to walk as children. If > we didn't topple over and bang our heads, we'd never learn to walk. > > New morning was talking about drugs earlier as a way to temporarily > alleviate suffering, with the caveat that if we were to use them as > a constant solution, we'd end up like Elvis or Rush Limbaugh (I'm > paraphrasing here...). So learning to not suffer is just that, a > learning process. Not a solution in a bottle, or a mantra by itself, > or just thinking different thoughts, but an entirely new, integrated > approach, where we transform ourselves in order to in effect live in > a different world. One just as challenging and comprehensive as that > in which we would suffer, but through our hard won skill, > perspective and capacity, the suffering is no longer present. >
