On Jun 18, 2007, at 9:32 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 18, 2007, at 7:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2007, at 5:58 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > C'mon, BillyG, you know MMY is explicit that he > > > > believes the order of Patanjali's Eight Limbs > > > > got reversed--that samadhi should be *first*, > > > > not last, and that all the other limbs, > > > > including Yama and Niyama, are the *result* of > > > > samadhi: If you're experiencing samadhi on a > > > > regular basis, you *are* practicing all eight > > > > limbs simultaneously, spontaneously. > > > > > > > > > And some fools actually believed him. Clearly he is clueless > > > on the reality of the YS. > > > > Translation: MMY has a different view than > > Vaj does. > > Rather: Translation: Mahesh has no idea about the YS but > fooled a lot of people.
Translation: MMY has a different view than Vaj does.
Correct translation: Mahesh holds incorrect views in regards to stages of meditation as described in the YS of Patanjali. But Mahesh's version is more marketable, even if it happens to be a untrue.
Perhaps we should call this the "simultaneous TM-samadhi- eightfoldpath lie". It is another prevalnet lie the Mahesh promotes.
> > > Since there is NO EEG evidence for samadhi in TM after almost 50 > > > years, that belief has proven truly foolish indeed. > > > > Translation: For Vaj's definition of "EEG evidence > > for samadhi." > > Actual translation: modern science's definition of EEG evidence > for legitimate samadhi. Fact: "Modern science" doesn't *have* a definition of EEG evidence for "legitimate samadhi."
Actually it has since at least the 1950's. Interestingly this is the same as traditional definitions and science has been able to verify the claims.
Rick tells an interesting story of Mahesh going to see a legitimate yogi whose students could go into samadhi at will and be completely impervious to sensory input. Mahesh made the claim at that time that his students would eventually do the same.
They still have not. Believe me, if they had, they'd be marketing it all over the place.
> > > It's amazing what good marketing and a little gold paint can do, > > > huh? > > > > Translation: Same old, same old. > > Translation: there's a sucker born every minute and Judy was one > of them. > > Don't feel bad Judy, a lot of us fell for it many years ago. > > Most of us wised up. Translation: Same old, same old.
Don't be so rough on yourself Jude.
