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----- Original Message ---- From: tertonzeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:05:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis --The Spiritual Regeneration of the world will (IMO) be an eventual occurrence that will pick up steam perhaps - in a few hundred years or so and then take off at an exponential rate of growth; since Spirituality feeds on itself, (like evil in that respect). TM will be the main catalyst for this evolutionary development, and we may look forward to vast numbers of people in the Hindu and Buddhist persuasions to begin the practice. As to the rest of the world: Monothiests (Christians, Jews, and Muslims), athiests, and agnostics, these are birds of different stripes who will become receptive to the notion of an impersonalist Ground of Being that exists as a Substratum of existence (some more than others); but Christians will have to reconcile this with their notion of a Personal Deity. Such a reconciliation must take place since Salvation in the Christian viewpoint - the orthodox, not Gnostic - has nothing to do whatsoever with yoga, meditation, etc; or any such works or evolutionary self-development. As the current Pope has stated on several occasions (He's the former Grand Inquisitor and should know); Salvation is totally unrelated to Yoga (and by implication, silent meditative methods); so the Pope has swallowed the core of St. Paul's Salvation by Grace, through Faith viewpoint. But the Pope is no dunce! He's aware of "Transcendence" but has a mistaken idea about Buddhism. His objection to Buddhism is that (although it incorporates Transcendence in its body of practices); he claims it's devoid of "Divine Love" ; i.e. the dualist relationship between oneself and "God" in the Person of Jesus. Of course, this isn't true at all. ...but getting back to the topic, TM indeed will be the main catalyst for a world transformation but not in the near future. Last, personal note to you Jim, in view of your previous statement that (true to your Neo-advaitin colors), you have or feel no need to rectify things. Then I countered with a challenge: that if you actually desire the world to be engulfed by a Spiritual transformation, then join with those of us following in the footsteps of Guru Dev and MMY, to help propagate TM around the world to as many people as possible. At this time circumstances are not quite favorable for this endeavor, but that should be no impediment to a full mental commitment. Don't be like the rest of the Neo-Advaitins, saying "I don't know and I don't care". Be committed! If there's to be a world transformation, YOU have to make it happen; and all the other "you's". - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@> > wrote: > Jim's experiences seem genuine > > enough as he relates them, but the extrapolation of his experiences > > to the belief that Guru Dev and Maharishi represent a unique > juncture > > in the world and human affairs is, however sincere, unveriafiable > and > > tantamount to similar sectarian beliefs of Christianity or any other > > religion. > > With one significant and important difference that some on FFL cannot > seem to grasp: When certain sectarian beliefs of Christianity proclaim > that we can only be saved through acceptance of Jesus Christ as the > Saviour, there is an unmistakable implication that those that don't > are somehow less, or doomed. > > All I said was that Guru Dev and Maharishi are the catalysts for the > spiritual regeneration of the world. Period. Unverifiable by each and > every one of those reading this? Sure. Similar to whether the earth > revolves around the sun, or the sun revolves around the earth. Also > unverifiable. > > However the thing that is quite different between what I said and its > comparison to the beliefs of Christian sects is that there is > absolutely no implication or assertion I have made that anyone who > doesn't believe this is wrong, or a lesser person, or doomed > spiritually or otherwise. > > It is a significant difference, and yet several on this forum cannot > decouple this possibility that Guru Dev and Maharishi have brought > about the spiritual regeneration of the world, from some implication > that lack of belief in this possibility means that I think they are > lesser beings in some regard. > > Marek, you as a lawyer must surely see the logical inconsistency in > these few posters' assertion? > > I consider this inability to decouple what I said from the stories > they hold in their heads and hearts as neurotic- in other words, not > fully in touch with the here and now. Why should that be made to > appear as anyone else's problem except theirs? It sure ain't mine.:- > ) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php