--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" > <do.rflex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Alarmist global warming claims melt under > scientific > > > > > > > scrutiny :: > > > > > > > > > CHICAGO > > > > > > > > > > SUN-TIMES :: Other Views_ > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST- > EDT- > > > > > > > > > REF30b.article) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already posted a link to this article. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's response? It's totally meaningless because > > > > > ExxonMobile > > > > > > > funds > > > > > > > > > the institute where the author works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heartland Institute has received $791,500 from > ExxonMobil > > > since > > > > > > > 1998. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Heartland Institute created a website in the Spring > of > > > 2007, > > > > > > > www.globalwarmingheartland.org, which asserts there is no > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > consensus on global warming and features a list of > experts > > > and a > > > > > > list > > > > > > > of like-minded think tanks, many of whom have received > > > funding > > > > > from > > > > > > > ExxonMobil and other polluters. [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walter F. Buchholtz, an ExxonMobil executive, serves as > > > > > Heartland's > > > > > > > Government Relations Advisor, according to Heartland's > 2005 > > > IRS > > > > > Form > > > > > > > 990, pg. 15. > > > > > > > http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/363/309/2005- > > > 363309812- > > > > > > 0295fbb2-9.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Heartland Institute formerly sponsored and hosted > > > > > > > www.climatesearch.org, a web page ostensibly dedicated to > > > > > objective > > > > > > > research on global warming, but at the same time > presenting > > > > > heavily > > > > > > > biased research by organizations such as the American > > > Petroleum > > > > > > > Institute as an FAQ section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO WHAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read the article? It was, mostly, a compendium > of > > > > > references > > > > > > > to published articles in the leading scientific journals > that > > > > > refuted > > > > > > > the global warming position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all these journals and all the authors of those > pieces > > > ALSO > > > > > in > > > > > > > the pocket of ExxonMobile? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cherry picking isolated stories to promote one's biased > claims > > > pales > > > > > > in comparison to the overwhelming massive collective > evidence > > > > > > indicating the reality of global warming. > > > > > > > > > > The fact that the author of > > > > > > the article works for a known paid Big Oil shill makes your > case > > > > > > laughable when you expect to be taken seriously. > > > > > > > > > There IS NO "overwhelming massive collective evidence > indicating > > > the > > > > > reality of global warming". > > > > > > > > > > That's just something Al Gore said or that you read in the > media. > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that you are astonishingly uninformed is your fault, > not > > > mine. > > > > > > > Well, then, it should be easy enough for you to actually SHOW ME > > > where this alleged "overwhelming massive collective evidence > > > indicating the reality of global warming" is. > > > > > > And please don't reference where someone is SAYING that it is so > but > > > provide the actual evidence, as you claim. > > > > > > I'm waiting. > > > > > > The National Academies of Science represent the scientific > communities > > of 11 major nations of the world. > > > > Brazil > > Canada > > China > > France > > Germany > > India > > Italy > > Japan > > Russia > > United Kingdom > > United States of America > > > > *See their report* on Climate Change here: http://tinyurl.com/3ykvyg > > > > > This is a political organisation. > > > > > The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] > > > > Recognizing the problem of potential global climate change, the > World > > Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment > > Programme (UNEP) established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate > > Change (IPCC) in 1988. It is open to *ALL* members of the > > UN and WMO. > > > > *See their report* on Climate Change here: > > http://www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm
> > > > Maybe you'd like to try to count how many scientists these groups > > represent. Then maybe you could show 'your' side of the story by > > presenting a comparable body of scientists that don't come from > > either right wing conspiracy freaks or people or groups funded by > Big > > Oil and acting as their shills. > > > > This is a political organisation. Both of these organizations directly represent the major scientific communities of the world. Are you suggesting that the major scientific communities of the whole world are merely politically motivated and therefore illegitimate? And what can you provide on your side to counter their views that doesn't come from either right wing conspiracy freaks or people or groups funded by Big Oil and acting as their shills.
